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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala" <zujarbri...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] PDF Inaccessibility


Looks like an issue with the reader installation on your system.

Best Regards,
Zujar

An optimist laughs to forget while a pessimist forgets to laugh...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vikas Kapoor
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 7:34 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PDF Inaccessibility

All such documents that I do have are locally saved to my disk but still the
menu bar doesn't figure out in them. One more thing is that the JAWS cursor
also doesn't seem to work there.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala" <zujarbri...@gmail.com>
To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] PDF Inaccessibility


I believe the menu bar doesn't appear when you open the document in the
browser, there's one in Adobe Reader. You can save a local copy of the
document by pressing CTRL+SHIFT+S and view the local copy in Adobe Reader to
avail the menu bar.

Best Regards,
Zujar

An optimist laughs to forget while a pessimist forgets to laugh...


-----Original Message-----
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vikas Kapoor
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:51 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] PDF Inaccessibility

Thanks Zujar, it's workable to some extent. Actually in such type of
documents no menu bar appears on the screen so I presumed we cannot change
the zoom but pressing the shortcut did the jod.

On 6/14/12, Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala <zujarbri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Vikas,
>
> I checked my Vodafone bill that is secured and password protected by
> Vodafone when sent through email just after reading your input below.
> I could read the bill period, amount due, bill period, my name and so
> on. The voice accent is too bad and some discrepancies like
> "Voclafone",
"8 Wind"
> instead of "B Wing", etc.
>
> Note that it produces different results when you scan Screen, Window
> and Control - not fair and needs improvement. Also press CTRL+1 to set
> the document to actual size and then try scanning. One more pain point
> is that you need to scroll the pages manually, the OCR scans only what
> appears on screen.
>
> Best Regards,
> Zujar
>
> An optimist laughs to forget while a pessimist forgets to laugh...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vikas
> Kapoor
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:55 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] PDF Inaccessibility
>
> Not a single word is scanned through JAWS OCR in these kinds of files.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala" <zujarbri...@gmail.com>
> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] PDF Inaccessibility
>
>
> How about using the OCR shipped with JAWS 13? I've used the demo on
> this year's Form 16 with some degree of success, Mphasis distributes
> Form 16 in a protected form and was totally inaccessible till last
> year. Though everything it read out was not correct, I could interpret
> it to a certain extent and was also able to validate the digital
> signature on it without sighted assistance. I believe it can be
> improved for more accuracy in the coming versions.
>
> Someone on the list may share their experience with the OCR coming
> with NVDA please.
>
> On 6/14/12, Pamnani <kanchanpamn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> OK ants are hardworking so lets get to work. We have to pull the
>> wagon and we have to push it in the direction we want. Most of us
>> have read the story
>>
>> of the ant and the grasshopper so lets get busy while the sun is shining.
>> The copyright issue took us 10 years and now part 2 of the war has
>> started.
>>
>> In the interim we can tackle this little thing.
>>
>>
>> 1. Vikas please find the address of this lab-preferably the
>> registered office address and the name of the big
>> shot-CEO/Chairman/MD 2. Please someone type the issue-I am not good
>> with
technical words.
>> Explain
>>
>> what is happening and what is not.
>> 3. Then the legal blah blah I will add.
>>
>> 4. Soldier ants  lets go for it....
>>
>>
>>
>> Kanchan Pamnani
>> Advocate & Solicitor
>> 9, Suleman Chambers,
>> Battery Street, Colaba,
>> Mumbai - 400 039.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kotian, H P" <hpkot...@rbi.org.in>
>> To: <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] PDF Inaccessibility
>>
>>
>>> Dear Vikas
>>>
>>> Strictly speaking, this issue is out of scope from the Copyright bill.
>>> In
>>>
>>> keeping with the spirit of your assertion, we certainly must demand
>>> accessible PDF statement.  This is a perpetual battle we will have
>>> to deal
>>>
>>> with.
>>> There cannot be a software solution because the content developer in
>>> his wisdom set the security so.
>>>
>>> Accessibility  is an unearthly word in the world of the able bodied.
>>> The effort involved is so huge it feels like ants trying to pull a
>>> railway wagon.
>>>
>>> Harish Kotian
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vikas Kapoor [mailto:dl.vi...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 14 June 2012 12:59
>>> To: Access India
>>> Subject: [AI] PDF Inaccessibility
>>>
>>> Folks,
>>> It is deeply regretted that on the one hand the copyright bills has
>>> given
>>>
>>> us an opportunity to access an abundance of print material which
>>> hither to
>>>
>>> cannot be accessed by the print disabled people, while on the other
>>> hand we're unable to access our own personal documents, be they the
>>> medical reports, bank statements or any official bills because most
>>> of the corporate sectors these days are producing the PDF documents
>>> in such a way
>>>
>>> which cannot be read out by any screen reader. For quite some time,
>>> the Lal Pathology Laboratory, which is supposed to be the best
>>> accredited lab
>>>
>>> all over India has been producing the personal medical reports which
>>> are not accessible through any screen reader. As soon as you open
>>> them, you screen reader will give you a message "the Author set this
>>> documents in a
>>>
>>> way which prevents access," and the JAWS will say protection
>>> failure., needless to mention that the contents are very much
>>> visible on the screen
>>>
>>> for a sighted people and not accessible by the screen readers. If
>>> anybody
>>>
>>> has any solution to this, can share, except indeed suggesting to
>>> convert the same with the help of any OCR programme, which is of
>>> course is the last option. I think we, as an organization, or any
>>> registered organisation can approach to them and launch the protest
>>> on behalf of the
>>>
>>> entire VI community because this is also a violation to our right to
>>> print
>>>
>>> accessibility.
>>> Vikas Kapoor,
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