Hi, greetings all of you. I am CA Vijay Kumar , I passed my
CA finals with the help of scribe and I belive having an under graduate
writer for writing such a big exam was a challenge, but I think the
technicality like option and futures and their formulas and equations has to
be explained to scribe though having a repo with scribe before exams should
not be called unfair means.
Regards
CA S Vijay kumar
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Whatever it is, but it doesn't justify engaging the scribe who is senior to
you in the same discipline.
The same problem is with students of languages. The easy solution is that,
just request the college to arrange the scribe who know the particular
terminology.
And the funny thing is that they don't have any problem with the scribe
appointed by them, even though he is a student of PhD in the same
discipline. Mean it has some apprehension in their mind with respect to the
scribe arranged by the candidate himself. and this unsound speculation was
upto a level in the mind of professors of Law Faculty Delhi University, that
even they didn't allow me to engage a student pursuing LL.B for my LL.M
exams.
At that time DU was having its own guidelines (2013), now they have adopted
MSJE guidelines, I don't know whats the condition presently.
On 6/20/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> For your reference, sighting an example.
> I had a subject called "Option Futures and Other Derivatives" which is
> only taught in 2nd year in almost all the MBA programs.
> It does contain a lot of complex equations like "BSOPM", "Measurement
> of bond Duration, various kinds of yealds etc".
> How will you explain all these complex fractions to a person who
> hasn't even seen them before?
> Wouldn't it waste a lot of your quality time in making him/ her right
> the equation correctly?
> Similar issue our friend Kartik has also faced in past.
> If being a 12th class student he wants the scribe to write fiew
> formulas which are only in class 12 syllabus then how will he manage
> to do this in so- called time limit?
> Wouldn't it cause extra disadvantage to his career?
> How can he insure that the scribe has written the fraction/ equation
> correctly?
> If it is a formula then he can still verify it through the
> calculations but what about that situation where numbers are not
> involved?
> Hope this clarifies things.
> Regards,
> Ajay
>
>
> On 6/20/15, Mohib Anwar Rafay <mohibra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I couldn't get your second point. How does the person who knows all
>> the simbels and notations, is more or over qualified than you? If one
>> person is pursuing MBA program, cann't he get a scribe who is junior
>> from the same stream who know how to write those particular symbols?
>> In academic exams, my argument is that your scribe should not have
>> passed the same exam at higher level in which you are appearing. Is
>> it too hard?
>> Then tell me how the mentality of the sarkari officers would be
>> changed, who are believing that there are some chances of cheating
>> etc. if candidate's own senior is writing his exam.
>> And no authority is ready to accept those guidelines, so called MSJE
>> guidelines which provide this unreasonable clause.
>>
>> On 6/19/15, Ajay Minocha <ajayminoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I have following things to say.
>>> 1. I fully agree with Avinash, Just imposing a bar on qualification
>>> isn't a full- proof solution to crackdown malpractices by the
>>> candidates.
>>> If the incompitant visually impaired people have got jobs in banks
>>> by greesing the palms of their scribes then it's the flaw of system
>>> and other candidates can't be left tu suffer because of them. Here I
>>> fully agree with Harish sir and being a finance student have seen
>>> the practical side of it in this country's one of the most
>>> prestigious business school.
>>> 2. Mohib: It will just make my situation more miserable because the
>>> person who knows all the simbels and notations correctly is over
>>> qualified and the other one which is allowed by the examining body
>>> doesn't know anything. So do you want me to forget about my
>>> preparation and teach him how to read and right that particular
>>> content?
>>> 3. Sanjay: look into the technical part of allowing the candidates
>>> to use screenreaders.
>>> Even if the examining bodies insure that every computer terminal has
>>> a workable copy of NVDA installed then how would you insure that the
>>> system has been tested for all the bugs from a screen reader user's
>>> perspective?
>>> The point I want to make is that usage of screen readers in the
>>> exams can be optional but can't be cumpulsory at any cost.
>>> 4. Harish sir: using CCTV survailance can be an option but usage of
>>> mobile phones and other removable camera devices can be a big
>>> concern for the examining boddies. So those who can't afford a CCTV
>>> have to rely on human beings only.
>>>
>>> P.s: all of it is a personal opinion and I don't intend to hurt
>>> anyone's feelings.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>> On 6/18/15, Misbah <jnu.mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In the era of digital India, I think only way should be to check
>>>> malpractices in examination is videography. Any other condition
>>>> like lower educational qualifications may again force back to Stone
Age.
>>>> This present scribe guideline has done a revolutionary change in
>>>> terms of shifting the blame of malpractice over the system rather
>>>> than, over the most deprived and neglected poor blind candidates.
>>>> Hence the responsibility of those who are right now in the realm of
>>>> the affairs to venture this path very cautiously and open-mindedly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/15, sanjay <sanjaylpra...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>>>> Most of the group members including the learned ones are simply
>>>>> legitimising the dependency. Such provisions can create only
>>>>> inefficient and unskilled blind mass. Please remember, it was
>>>>> easy for unskilled people to survive in 19th and 20th century
>>>>> because they did have plenty of works to do. But today, the
>>>>> situation has completely changed.
>>>>> Imagine
>>>>> if
>>>>> such guidelines are implemented in school and college levels. I
>>>>> knew about
>>>>>
>>>>> a school where writers were also prepared for 10th grade exams
>>>>> with blind students before the exams and, in this process, dull
>>>>> students were ensured
>>>>> best writers. That school was interested only in grabbing newspaper
>>>>> headlines by claiming that their blind students did better than
>>>>> all other schools in the state. Rest I leave to your imagination.
>>>>> If such guidelines
>>>>>
>>>>> are backed by some institutes/organisations working for blind who
>>>>> are interested only in taking credit for recruiting blind
>>>>> individuals, then there is no point in arguing about this subject.
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
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