Remember when I asked about the BIOS? :-)

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/usb-boot.mspx

You can check out the links at the end for more information, but again, this
is set in the BIOS of the machine.

Laura 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Anderson
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 4:03 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies
> 
> Susan,
>       How did you do that I would love to be able to  reboot 
> with a worry. 
> 
> 
> Bob
> IT Guy
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Susan Bradley,
> CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] 
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 3:04 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies
> 
> And on my DC I removed the USB drive as a boot device.
> 
> So now I can be at home in my jammies and remotely reboot the server
> with no issues and it will reboot just fine. 
> 
> Bob Anderson wrote:
> > Laura,
> >     Yea that on bit me big time.  Had our Domain Controller running
> and 
> > added a USB Drive all was fine.  Along came Microsoft with 
> the darned 
> > Updates and there 'Computer Must be restarted' Well it restarted 
> > alright and would not reboot.  Talked to IBM Server Support for 4 
> > hours be for I finally figured it out myself.  That was the 
> only time 
> > I ever taught something to them and not the other way around.
> >
> > I have since update the restart procedure to say 'Power off the USB 
> > drive before the system restarts.'
> >
> >
> > Bob
> > IT Guy
> >  
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
> > Robinson
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:41 AM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies
> >
> > Umm, that was kinda the point I was trying to make, Bob. :-)
> >
> > Laura
> >
> >   
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Bob Anderson
> >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 11:09 AM
> >> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies
> >>
> >> Laura,
> >>    It doesn't matter what the boot order is. Most servers have an 
> >> internal Raid configuration that doesn't kick in until after the 
> >> machine goes through it's start up and by them it has 
> found the USB 
> >> and not the hard disks.
> >>
> >> And yes I have this on two of my servers.
> >>
> >> Bob Anderson
> >> IT Guy
> >> Kent Sporting Goods
> >> 433 Park Ave. S
> >> New London OH 44851
> >> 419-929-7021 x315
> >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>  
> >>  
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laura A.
> >> Robinson
> >> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:52 AM
> >> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies
> >>
> >> What's the boot order in the BIOS on those machines? 
> >>
> >> Laura
> >>
> >>     
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Albert Duro
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 10:54 AM
> >>> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies
> >>>
> >>> Ah, that brings up another interesting point.  I use USB
> >>>       
> >> external hard
> >>
> >>     
> >>> drives too, and I've found that some WinXP and
> >>> Server2003 machines will not boot if a USB hard drive is
> >>>       
> >> attached--I
> >>     
> >>> have to remember to turn it off while booting.
> >>> Anyone else seen this?
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" 
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:02 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies (was) Exchange
> >>>       
> >> Log files
> >>     
> >>> --Disk
> >>> Full--
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>>> No tape drives here.  If it has a USB connection we are
> >>>>         
> >> in business.
> >>     
> >>>> Albert Duro wrote:
> >>>>         
> >>>>> Yes, BE does do disk backup.  But I have some objections:
> >>>>>  A.  They don't make it easy, infact they make an unnecessarily 
> >>>>> complicated production of it.
> >>>>>  B.  I started doing NTBackup to disk while (and because)
> >>>>>           
> >>> I was still
> >>>       
> >>>>> troubleshooting BE.  When I gave up on BE and its
> >>>>>           
> >>> brethren, NTBackup
> >>>       
> >>>>> was a natural segway, and already in place and working.
> >>>>>  C.  I discovered one great advantage that
> >>>>>           
> >>> NTBackup-to-disk has over
> >>>       
> >>>>> any other backup system:  with a bit of planning, it is
> >>>>>           
> >>> proof against
> >>>       
> >>>>> almost any combination of crash and burn. You have a
> >>>>>           
> >>> backup file on
> >>>       
> >>>>> two or more disks/machines.  Things go bad, you can do
> >>>>>           
> >>> recovery from
> >>>       
> >>>>> any Windows machine; you can move or copy the backup
> >>>>>           
> >>> disks/files to
> >>>       
> >>>>> any machine.  Try doing that with a sophisticated tape-based or 
> >>>>> SAN-based system.  Imagine having to replace the tape 
> >>>>> drive/autoloader with the exact same type, while rebuilding a 
> >>>>> same-hardware three-year old server to the exact same
> >>>>>           
> >>> configuration,
> >>>       
> >>>>> same SPs, same backup software, same drivers.  I can
> >>>>>           
> >>> guarantee that
> >>>       
> >>>>> at least one of those necessary replacement elements will be 
> >>>>> impossible to find, even under leisurely conditions. [1]
> >>>>>           
> >>> Yes, there
> >>>       
> >>>>> are strategies to deal with that, but if you could spend
> >>>>>           
> >>> that kind of
> >>>       
> >>>>> money, you would have gotten a double-redundant
> >>>>>           
> >>> bullet-proof system in the first place.
> >>>       
> >>>>>  I truly hope that I'm wrong out of lack of knowledge and
> >>>>>           
> >>> pessimism.  
> >>>       
> >>>>> I am open to being corrected and encouraged.
> >>>>>  [1] Naturally, the tape drive drivers will be on the same
> >>>>>           
> >>> tape that
> >>>       
> >>>>> you can't access nohow.  Download the drivers from the
> >>>>>           
> >>> OEM, you say?  
> >>>       
> >>>>> Chances are excellent that the OEM has gone out of
> >>>>>           
> >>> business, or sold
> >>>       
> >>>>> out to a giant  who prunes out what they don't like (and
> >>>>>           
> >> what you
> >>     
> >>>>> need), or changed the name or version number on it out of sheer 
> >>>>> orneryness.  If you do get to what looks like the right 
> drivers, 
> >>>>> you're likely to find that the last minor upgrade version
> >>>>>           
> >>> that really
> >>>       
> >>>>> worked well for you has been dropped, or tweaked into
> >>>>>           
> >> your trouble
> >>     
> >>>>> zone.  I can testify to ALL these experiences.  I think
> >>>>>           
> >>> others can too.
> >>>       
> >>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     *From:* Al Mulnick <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>     *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>>>>     <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> >>>>>     *Sent:* Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:27 PM
> >>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT - Backup Follies (was)
> >>>>>           
> >>> Exchange Log
> >>>       
> >>>>>     files --Disk Full--
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Trying to remember exactly, but doesn't BE have an
> >>>>>           
> >>> option to use
> >>>       
> >>>>>     disk vs. tape drives?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     You *could* run a test to help simplify and rule out
> >>>>>           
> >>> some of the
> >>>       
> >>>>>     complexity. Could take a while, but might be worth it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     Al
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     On 11/2/06, *Albert Duro* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>         Why does NTBackup work for me and BE not, when
> >>>>>           
> >> they are at
> >>     
> >>>>>         core the same product?
> >>>>>         I wondered about that too.  Here are my thoughts.
> >>>>>         First, NTBackup is a simpler product that doesn't
> >>>>>           
> >>> get tangled
> >>>       
> >>>>>         up with the complexities of scheduling and a GUI.
> >>>>>         But the real reason, I think, is that I've been doing
> >>>>>         NTBackups to disk, while BE was to tape.
> >>>>>         I've always suspected that most, if not all of my
> >>>>>           
> >>> difficulties
> >>>       
> >>>>>         with BE had to do with the drivers for the tape
> >>>>>           
> >> drives and
> >>     
> >>>>>         autoloaders, and with the SCSI interface to 
> other devices
> >>>>>         ('other' being anything beyond the normal HD and CD
> >>>>> complement)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>             *From:* Al Mulnick <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>             *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>>>>             <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> >>>>>             *Sent:* Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:11 AM
> >>>>>             *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange Log files --Disk
> >>>>> Full--
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             Well put Albert.  Thanks for that feedback.
> >>>>>             What still has me curious is why BE wouldn't
> >>>>>           
> >>> work in your
> >>>       
> >>>>>             environment and why ntbackup does (partially
> >>>>>           
> >>> at least). 
> >>>       
> >>>>> ntbackup as written by the same exact people and has a lot
> >>>>>             of the same code (it's licensed by Microsoft
> >>>>>           
> >>> from Seagate
> >>>       
> >>>>>             last I checked). Ntbackup is the less
> >>>>>           
> >> featured version
> >>     
> >>>>>             designed for single host backups and extended
> >>>>>           
> >>> to act like
> >>>       
> >>>>>             it does more.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             So that said, I agree that the goal is that
> >>>>>           
> >>> your client's
> >>>       
> >>>>>             data is backed up.  I have to say that I
> >>>>>           
> >> disagree that
> >>     
> >>>>>             jury-rigs, mickey mouse and by the seat of
> >>>>>           
> >>> your pants is
> >>>       
> >>>>>             the long term solution though.  That's an
> >>>>>           
> >>> infrastructure
> >>>       
> >>>>>             component that will come back to haunt at some
> >>>>>           
> >>> point down
> >>>       
> >>>>>             the road.  As an interim fix, of course it can
> >>>>>           
> >>> work.  I'm
> >>>       
> >>>>>             not blinded by the big vendors to the point
> >>>>>           
> >>> that I think
> >>>       
> >>>>>             they have the only solution.  Far from it.  
> >>>>>           
> >>> But I like to
> >>>       
> >>>>>             think that I can at least share some perspective and
> >>>>>             experience related to where it leads and I 
> definitely
> >>>>>             favor technology over layer8 processes. 
> Why?  Because
> >>>>>             layer8 changes and grows out of current 
> positions and
> >>>>>             foundational solutions should not have to be
> >>>>>           
> >> decimated
> >>     
> >>>>>             when that happens.  I've seen that way too
> >>>>>           
> >>> often to care
> >>>       
> >>>>>             to see it continue where possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             Basically, I hate to see a foundational
> >>>>>           
> >>> solution such as
> >>>       
> >>>>>             backup, rely on such complexity and human
> >>>>>           
> >>> intervention.  I
> >>>       
> >>>>>             completely understand that you have to do what
> >>>>>           
> >>> you have to
> >>>       
> >>>>>             do. When you wrote it in your original email,
> >>>>>           
> >>> it sounded
> >>>       
> >>>>>             like you approved of that method.  Reading
> >>>>>           
> >>> this last one,
> >>>       
> >>>>>             I can you don't.  I was just trying to point
> >>>>>           
> >> out where
> >>     
> >>>>>             that leads and trying to understand how you go
> >>>>>           
> >>> there.  I
> >>>       
> >>>>>             bet I would have gotten there the same way 
> you did ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             Best of luck getting that worked out.
> >>>>>             If you need anything from me, please don't
> >>>>>           
> >> hesitate.  I
> >>     
> >>>>>             have been known to make some backup
> >>>>>           
> >> solutions work :)
> >>     
> >>>>> Feel free to ping off-line if I can be of any help.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>             On 10/31/06, *Albert Duro* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>             <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                 Al, since you ask, no I don't see it
> >>>>>           
> >>> differently, at
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 least not at the oratorical level.  But 
> where the
> >>>>>                 rubber meets the road, things can look
> >>>>>           
> >>> very different.
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 Like the military say, the best laid plan
> >>>>>           
> >>> falls apart
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 the moment it meets the enemy.  You 
> assume that I
> >>>>>                 monkey around with Ntbackup and balky media for
> >>>>>                 economic reasons.  In fact, we spared no expense
> >>>>>                 (relative to our small size) to put in
> >>>>>                 industrial-strength backup systems, both
> >>>>>           
> >>> software and
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 hardware.  Even paid consultants to set 
> it up and
> >>>>>                 manage it.
> >>>>>                 It blew up in our faces.  Primarily
> >>>>>           
> >> because Backup
> >>     
> >>>>>                 Exec just wouldn't work right in our
> >>>>>           
> >> environment. 
> >>     
> >>>>> (I'm not saying that BE isn't a fine product, it would
> >>>>>                 just never work for us).  Why not?  
> >>>>>           
> >> Don't know -- I
> >>     
> >>>>>                 couldn't figure it out.  Our 
> consultants couldn't
> >>>>>                 figure it out.  Veritas support couldn't
> >>>>>           
> >>> either, nor
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 the autoloader manufacturer.  For more
> >>>>>           
> >>> than two years,
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 nobody could figure it out, until I
> >>>>>           
> >> decided to stop
> >>     
> >>>>>                 throwing good money after bad.
> >>>>>                 Did I try alternative products?  In the
> >>>>>           
> >> same class,
> >>     
> >>>>>                 yes -- more tales of woe, but different
> >>>>>           
> >>> reasons.  We
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 did not nor are we going to buy the
> >>>>>           
> >>> high-end systems,
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 which cost more than our whole network is worth.
> >>>>>                 So I was left with NTBackup, and admittedly a
> >>>>>                 little more gun-shyness about brand-name backup
> >>>>>                 products than is strictly rational.   
> >>>>>           
> >> That's what I
> >>     
> >>>>>                 have to work with, and I try to make the
> >>>>>           
> >>> best of it. 
> >>>       
> >>>>> That's the 'real world' in my little corner of it.
> >>>>>                 Believe me, when you and joe and others on
> >>>>>           
> >>> this list
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 urge us to 'make the best', I listen, I
> >>>>>           
> >>> learn, and I
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 applaud.  And it does push me in that
> >>>>>           
> >>> direction.  But
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 the only path there goes through 'make
> >>>>>           
> >> the best of
> >>     
> >>>>>                 what you've got'.  It's bumpy and often
> >>>>>           
> >> barricaded.
> >>     
> >>>>>                 But after all is said and done, the REAL
> >>>>>           
> >>> point is that
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 I am preserving my clients' data and 
> keeping them
> >>>>>                 happy.  Jury-rigs, mickey mouse, and
> >>>>>           
> >>> by-the-pants not
> >>>       
> >>>>>                 withstanding.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                 -- Original Message -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                     *From:* Al Mulnick
> >>>>>           
> >> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>     
> >>>>>                     *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>>>>                     <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> >>>>>                     *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:30 AM
> >>>>>                     *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Exchange 
> Log files
> >>>>>                     --Disk Full--
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                     sub-optimal media are part of the 
> real world?
> >>>>>                      Wow, thanks :)
> >>>>>                      Truth be told, that's a rant of mine. 
> >>>>>           
> >>>  I've heard
> >>>       
> >>>>>                     a lot (lately especially) about how we
> >>>>>           
> >>> want to do
> >>>       
> >>>>>                     things cheap and inexpensive and 
> we'll fix it
> >>>>>                     later and so on. I've also spent a
> >>>>>           
> >>> great deal of
> >>>       
> >>>>>                     time cleaning up that kind of stuff. 
> >>>>> Unfortunately, once it escapes into the "real
> >>>>>                     world" then it becomes more difficult
> >>>>>           
> >>> to clean up
> >>>       
> >>>>>                     because you have to do so in front of
> >>>>>                     customers/clients.
> >>>>>                      Interesting approach though. Usually a less
> >>>>>                     disciplined from what I've seen and
> >>>>>           
> >>> often results
> >>>       
> >>>>>                     in more expense related to downtime and
> >>>>>                     troubleshooting and lack of service.  I'm
> >>>>>                     interested if you see differently though.
> >>>>>                      This area of the business fascinates me....
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                      On 10/28/06, *Albert Duro*
> >>>>>                     <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>                     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                         I'm sure you and Susan are
> >>>>>           
> >> right.  All I'm
> >>     
> >>>>>                         saying is that it *can* happen,
> >>>>>           
> >> and for me,
> >>     
> >>>>>                         why take the chance when
> >>>>>           
> >>> one-job/one-task  is
> >>>       
> >>>>>                         easy to do.
> >>>>>                         Good point about the media, and that may
> >>>>>                         explain my case, but, hey,
> >>>>>           
> >>> sub-optimal media
> >>>       
> >>>>>                         situations are part of the real world.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                             ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>                             *From:* Al Mulnick
> >>>>>                             <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>                             *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>>>>                             
> <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> >>>>>                             *Sent:* Saturday, October 28,
> >>>>>           
> >>> 2006 6:33 AM
> >>>       
> >>>>>                             *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir]
> >>>>>           
> >> Exchange Log
> >>     
> >>>>>                             files --Disk Full--
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                              I've not had that same experience. 
> >>>>> Granted, it's a limited feature utility
> >>>>>                             (note the use of the word
> >>>>>           
> >>> utility vs. tool
> >>>       
> >>>>>                             as requested) but it's still
> >>>>>           
> >> capable of
> >>     
> >>>>>                             doing more.  There were 
> some fixes to
> >>>>>                             ntbackup in service packs and
> >>>>>           
> >>> such.  You
> >>>       
> >>>>>                             might want to verify you're 
> using the
> >>>>>                             latest version of that's
> >>>>>           
> >> what you see.
> >>     
> >>>>>                              Also, check the media it's
> >>>>>           
> >> headed to. 
> >>     
> >>>>> It's error handling is not very elegant,
> >>>>>                             but I've found it to be useful
> >>>>>           
> >>> and strong
> >>>       
> >>>>>                             enough to stand up to some
> >>>>>           
> >>> complex tasks
> >>>       
> >>>>>                             in the past. I've got several
> >>>>>           
> >>> running now
> >>>       
> >>>>>                             via cli that have been in
> >>>>>           
> >>> place for more
> >>>       
> >>>>>                             than half a year without issue
> >>>>>           
> >>> (I know, I
> >>>       
> >>>>>                             know, spend all that money on an
> >>>>>                             enterprise backup system
> >>>>>           
> >> only to backup
> >>     
> >>>>>                             some machines locally.  But 
> there are
> >>>>>                             times when it makes more
> >>>>>           
> >>> sense, trust me.)
> >>>       
> >>>>>                              -ajm
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                              On 10/27/06, *Albert Duro*
> >>>>>                             <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>                             
> >>>>>           
> >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                 I've found, with NTbackup,
> >>>>>           
> >>> that if you
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                 cram two or more tasks
> >>>>>           
> >>> into a backup
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                 job, it's very likely to
> >>>>>           
> >> fail. For
> >>     
> >>>>>                                 example, if you do a
> >>>>>           
> >>> System State and
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                 a file backup and an
> >>>>>           
> >>> Exchange backup
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                 in the same job.  It's best to
> >>>>>                                 separate each task into
> >>>>>           
> >>> its own job,
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                 and sort it out in the
> >>>>>           
> >> scheduling.
> >>     
> >>>>>                                 A mixed job will also work
> >>>>>           
> >>> for a while
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                 and then fail, which
> >>>>>           
> >>> sounds like what
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                 happened to OP.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                                     ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>                                     *From:* Wells, James Arthur
> >>>>>                                     <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>                                     *To:*
> >>>>>           
> >>> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>>           
> >>> <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     *Cc:* Technical Support
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                                     *Sent:* Thursday,
> >>>>>           
> >>> October 26, 2006
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     2:21 PM
> >>>>>                                     *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir]
> >>>>>                                     Exchange Log files
> >>>>>           
> >>> --Disk Full--
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                      Do you have multiple
> >>>>>           
> >>> information
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     stores on this
> >>>>>           
> >> storage group?  
> >>     
> >>>>> (If using Exchange Enterprise
> >>>>>                                     edition)...the logs
> >>>>>           
> >> can't flush
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     until all stores have a full
> >>>>>                                     backup, because the logs are
> >>>>>                                     shared...
> >>>>>                                      --James
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>>           
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ----------
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     *From:*
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>                                     [mailto:
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> >>>>>                                     *On Behalf Of
> >>>>>           
> >>> *Technical Support
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     *Sent:* Thursday,
> >>>>>           
> >>> October 26, 2006
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     3:16 PM
> >>>>>                                     *To:* 
> >>>>> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>;
> >>>>>                                     ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>>           
> >>> <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir]
> >>>>>                                     Exchange Log files
> >>>>>           
> >>> --Disk Full--
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                      Hi,
> >>>>>                                      I am running Normal
> >>>>>           
> >>> Backup. Using
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     NTBackup Utility. Backing up
> >>>>>                                     Information store.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>>           
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ----------
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     *From:*
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>                                     on behalf of Missy Koslosky
> >>>>>                                     *Sent:* Thu
> >>>>>           
> >> 10/26/2006 12:49 PM
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     *To:*
> >>>>>           
> >>> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>>           
> >>> <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir]
> >>>>>                                     Exchange Log files
> >>>>>           
> >>> --Disk Full--
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                      Are you running full
> >>>>>           
> >>> (AKA normal)
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     backups every night? 
> >>>>>           
> >>> It seems not.
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     Use NTBackup to
> >>>>>           
> >> backup to disk
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     (obviously, you'll
> >>>>>           
> >> need a disk
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     with over 120GB of available
> >>>>>                                     space) and then use whatever
> >>>>>                                     normal program you
> >>>>>           
> >> use to back
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     that backup onto tape. 
> >>>>>           
> >>> This will
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     keep you running
> >>>>>           
> >> until you sort
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     out why your normal backup
> >>>>>                                     software isn't
> >>>>>           
> >>> flushing the logs
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     when the backup completes.
> >>>>>                                      How are you
> >>>>>           
> >> currently running
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     backups? What software
> >>>>>           
> >>> is in use?
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     Are you sure it's
> >>>>>           
> >>> Exchange aware?
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     Are you doing brick
> >>>>>           
> >>> level backups
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     or copy backups
> >>>>>           
> >>> instead of a full
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     backup? Neither will
> >>>>>           
> >>> flush the logs.
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                      I'd resolve this as
> >>>>>           
> >> quickly as
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     possible, because if
> >>>>>           
> >>> you are in a
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     situation where you
> >>>>>           
> >>> have to replay
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     the logs, you're NOT
> >>>>>           
> >>> going to be a
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     happy camper.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>>           
> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> ----------
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     *From:*
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>>>>                                     [mailto:
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> >>>>>                                     *On Behalf Of
> >>>>>           
> >>> *Technical Support
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     *Sent:* Thursday,
> >>>>>           
> >>> October 26, 2006
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     11:09 AM
> >>>>>                                     *To:*
> >>>>>           
> >>> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     
> >>>>>           
> >>> <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     *Subject:*
> >>>>>           
> >> [ActiveDir] Exchange
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     Log files --Disk Full--
> >>>>>
> >>>>>                                      Hi All,
> >>>>>                                      Kindly suggest,
> >>>>>           
> >> what i can do
> >>     
> >>>>>                                     about my Exchange Log files?
> >>>>>                                     I have about 120 GB
> >>>>>           
> >>> Log files for
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     past 4 months. I have
> >>>>>           
> >>> a few doubts:-
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                      Do i really need all
> >>>>>           
> >>> those log
> >>>       
> >>>>> files?
> >>>>>                                     If yes, Then how is it
> >>>>>           
> >>> possible to
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     manage with this as i
> >>>>>           
> >>> have a very
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     limited space left.
> >>>>>                                     Can i delete these 
> log files?
> >>>>>                                     Backup doesnt remove
> >>>>>           
> >>> these log files?
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                      i am really running
> >>>>>           
> >>> out of space
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                     on my Exchange log
> >>>>>           
> >>> storage drive.
> >>>       
> >>>>>                                      *Thanks!!!*
> >>>>>                                     Ravi
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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