So Microsoft should encourage their bad practices?
Laura
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*Akomolafe, Deji
*Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2006 12:39 PM
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*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>>> People don't seem to have a problem with that concept when it
comes to game consoles :)
Bad analogy. Go stand in the corner, no wii for you :)
When people start running their businesses on game consoles, then
you can come back and compare. For now, it's just plain
incomprehensible that you can't manage ADMX from anything but
Vista. Yeah, ideally we would want to encourage clients to NOT
manage things directly from servers, and to ensure that IF they
are going to introduce Vista, the IT folks' machines should be
doing the dog-fooding, but realistically, the "ideal" is always
the exception in this field. Microsoft should know that. People
will insist on managing GPO directly from the DCs, best practices
be damned.
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*From:* Darren Mar-Elia
*Sent:* Fri 12/15/2006 9:18 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
I hear you Rich. I had a long discussion with someone on the GP newsgroups
who thought that the fact that XP and 2003 couldn't read Vista GP settings
was an abomination and a scandal of the highest order and that MS should be
beaten for their insolence (I'm paraphrasing :-)). But, yes, we should all
be used to the fact that sometimes, you have to adopt the new stuff to get
the new toys. People don't seem to have a problem with that concept when it
comes to game consoles :)
Darren
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 9:04 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Sorry, I understand it's different, what I meant was merely that we had
some growing pains like this when XP first came out. Our practice then
became to use only XP desktops for GP management. I think there's a
tendency to think this is such a terrible thing, this
backwards-incompatibility, and we might forget that Vista is not new
with this, we had similar issues before. And who remembers the
teeth-pulling to get people to move to Active Directory??
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:05 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
This is actually a little different because if you view a GPO that was
created with Vista, using XP or 2003, none of the ADMX settings can
actually
be read at all, because they are a completely new format that GPEditor
or
GPMC on those older platforms don't understand. In fact, those XP or
2003
will happily copy up the ADMs into the Vista GPO like they used to do,
and
you're back to each GPO storing ADMs in SYSVOL. What I've been
recommending
to folks is that once you introduce Vista desktops into your
environment,
use Vista for all your ongoing GP management. The Vista ADMXs are a
superset
of the latest and greatest ADMs (i.e. they include 2003, XP and Vista
settings) so you can happily manage Vista and non-Vista targeted GP
settings
from a Vista machine.
Darren
Darren Mar-Elia
CTO & Founder
www.sdmsoftware.com
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Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:49 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
You may recall, there was a similar case when XP came out too - if
memory serves, you had to manage XP GPO settings from an XP box - if you
opened them on Win2K, there were problems (I can't recall now exactly
what those problems were... it would corrupt the policy? Lose the
settings?) anyway so there are tons more settings (+ side) and you have
to use Vista for now (- side, sorta). I wouldn't be too surprised if
they fix that with the next server and XP SP... but I haven't actually
heard that.
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Applebee's International, Inc.
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913-967-2819
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 4:13 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Vista introduces a new Admin Template format called ADMX. These are
found on Vista in C:\windows\policydefinitions and, unfortuately cannot
be consumed by earlier versions of Windows. That is you must manage
Vista GP from Vista.
Darren
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From: "Za Vue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: 12/14/2006 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
Sorry. Exactly what Ben wrote.
Thanks..
-Z.V.
WATSON, BEN wrote:
> Maybe he may be referring to the location of any possible new ADM
files
> included with Vista.
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren
Mar-Elia
> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 10:34 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Vista GPO
>
> What do you mean Za? I'm not familiar with any GPO plug-in for Win2K3,
> unless you mean the LDIF files that are in sources\adprep on the Vista
> CD?
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> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 9:57 AM
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> Anyone know what and where the GPO plugin for Win2003 on the Vista DVD
> is called and located?
>
> -Z.V.
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