Personally, I would suggest to increase the 2-years-period if the resulting merged LIR contains prefixes from 2 merged LIRs or more Example: A (has a /24) and B (has one historical /22 and another /22 from a previous merger) wants to merge: they would need to wait 3 years. Next time, It would be 4 years, etc…
Also, if several mergers with the same LIR are requested, I honestly don’t recall if this is allowed, but it should not: one merge per LIR per year. That should block serial-mergers, but not regular small LIRs with a real network activity. There are probably loop-holes in my idea, or it’s perhaps too complex to implement. David Ponzone Direction Technique email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> tel: 01 74 03 18 97 gsm: 06 66 98 76 34 Service Client IPeva tel: 0811 46 26 26 www.ipeva.fr <blocked::http://www.ipeva.fr/> - www.ipeva-studio.com <blocked::http://www.ipeva-studio.com/> Ce message et toutes les pièces jointes sont confidentiels et établis à l'intention exclusive de ses destinataires. Toute utilisation ou diffusion non autorisée est interdite. Tout message électronique est susceptible d'altération. IPeva décline toute responsabilité au titre de ce message s'il a été altéré, déformé ou falsifié. Si vous n'êtes pas destinataire de ce message, merci de le détruire immédiatement et d'avertir l'expéditeur. > Le 8 déc. 2021 à 08:03, Arash Naderpour <[email protected]> a écrit : > > >My suggestion would be along the lines what was proposed on the APWG > >meeting already - earmark these /24s as non-transferrable, ever. > > I don't think it is a good idea to split the IPv4 addresses into different > types, transferable and non-transferrable. it puts those newcomers in a > disadvantageous position compared to the older members, it is not fair and > doesn't fix anything in long term. > > Regards, > > Arash > > > > > On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 1:56 AM Gert Doering <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 02:29:15PM +0000, Erik Bais wrote: > > As WG chairs we would like to see the position of the WG on the topic and > > what could be seen as a possible solution. > > As a member of the WG, I do share the sentiment that the intent of the > "IPv4 runout" policies have been "ensure that late comers to the game > can have a bit of IPv4 space, to number their IPv6 translators", and > not "grab some space for free, and sell it for more money elsewhere". > > I do not think this can be fixed on the AGM level ("one legal entity > can only have one LIR account") - we've been there, in the rush to /22s, > and all it does it "make people hide behind shell companies", so in > the end, the address space goes out anyway, but registry quality suffers. > > Trying to make the NCC require even more paperwork isn't going to stop > those that want to game the system, but will impact everyone else by > making the NCC more annoying to deal with. > > > My suggestion would be along the lines what was proposed on the APWG > meeting already - earmark these /24s as non-transferrable, ever. > > > Consequences: > > - there is no more financial incentive to "get one cheap, sell it expensive" > > - if you need space to run your business, this is exactly what it is > there for - you can still sell your business (with the /24), you > just need to keep the LIR account. But that's as with other > business assets. > > - if you want to merge multiple LIR accounts, all having their own > /24 - then you need to keep around these accounts, or return some > of the /24s. > - corrolary: if you use these /24s to number your IPv6 translators, > then renumbering this translator into "your other /24" is actually > not very hard. > - corrolary2: If you use the /24s to directly number your customers, > you missed the boat already (wearing my RIPE unicorn t-shirt today). > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg > <https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg> > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg
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