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On Wednesday 31 July 2002 10:03, you wrote:
> [Aaron wrote:]
>
> > the "L" in CLUE stands for Linux. therefore, a really easy test for
> > appropriateness is: does it run on Linux? secondary may be whether or not
> > it is Free / Open Source software. tertiary may be whether it has a
> > Canadian connection. let's look at database servers, for example.
>
> "L" stands for whatever we feel like. "Linux" has become a codeword for
> "more socially responsible software of whatever type". This is fortunate
you're thinking of Free Software or Open Source Software. Linux takes into
consideration things that are not "more socially responsible", like closed
source video card drivers (for just one example out of a million).
you're treading into that realm of ethics/ethos/mythos/religion that has
spawned many emails in this thread to no great conclusion. i believe this
sort of definition should be avoided by CLUE simply because gaining consensus
on the topic is impossible. CLUE has, in its very name, some very easy and
obvious ways to "rate" the appropriateness of a topic that aren't up to
personal interpretation or feelings. for a national organization i think
that's pretty important.
btw, i consider myself to be a "Free Software" guy, so i'm not taking this
stand because i don't think socially responsible software is vital and
important. i just would like to see CLUE have some path to achieve clarity in
its focus and mission so that it can move foward with more important things.
> > Microsoft SQL Server does not run on Linux. so it's probably right out.
>
> This is a highly selective history of databases.
it wasn't meant to be a history of databases, nor a non-selective listing.
i had a point to make and i picked examples to help illustrate that point.
> What is objectionable
> about SQL Server is that its interconnectivity with other platforms is
> somewhat limited.
then you understand. MS SQL server doesn't run on nor interoperate w/Linux.
therefore i don't see how it would be appropos to the topic at hand. it would
be at, say, a PC Users Group or a MS Users Group. but not a LUG. extend this
same concept to other pieces of software/technology.
> In fact, Sybase (which does run on Linux) has limited interconnectivity
> with SQL Server owing to the common origin of the two products, and one
> thing that would be very good IMHO is to keep Sybase compatible with SQL
> Server so that both MS and Oracle have something to think about.
great, so Sybase is probably topical for CLUE! why? it runs on Linux.
> > MySQL runs on Linux and is Free software (it didn't always used to be,
> > but history is history). therefore one could assume that it is of even
> > greater kin to Linux than Oracle is, though Oracle may be more
> > interesting in certain zones of scalability.
>
> MySQL's recent incorporation of transaction support is achieved by the
> inclusion of Berkeley DB technology. This technology has significant
> costs in full commercial deployments.
i'm not exactly a MySQL fan myself (ask those who know me in real life ;), but
details as to cost, applicability, etc are irrelevant when considering what
is topical for CLUE IMO: it runs on Linux, it's Free software, it's in. this
will avoid endless debate over what CLUE should rep.
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Aaron J. Seigo
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"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler"
- Albert Einstein
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