At 07:34 AM 7/31/02, you wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:04:36 -0400 (EDT) >Russell McOrmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >| Ethics is a rather personal thing. You'll want to define >| membership criteria for a SIG, and totally avoid the phrase >| 'ethics'. > > >On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Wm. G. McGrath wrote: > > > Take for example security. Common designations for hackers are black > > hat, grey hat, white hat.... To my way of thinking it is > > unacceptable for an IT professional to break into anyone else's > > computer for any reason whatsoever. Getting caught doing so, > > advocating, instructing or supporting those who do so could be > > regarded as 'conduct unbecoming a professional'.... > > > You have proven my point - thanks ;-) > > You have expressed something that you admit was "to my way of thinking" >which is not something that is agreed upon by everyone. > > I have personally 'hacked' into my own customers networks at times to >demonstrate to them that they have security problems. I didn't consider >it 'hacking', but other would. > > In one case it was trivial as they had no firewall yet, and I printed >something out on their printer from remote to say "by the way, you need a >firewall". > > > In your mind, was I unethical? If you think I am unethical, does that >not prove my point that "ethics" is a very subjective thing? If you think >I am not unethical, where do you draw the line between what I did and what >you *personally/subjectively* consider to be 'hacking'? We are arguing semantics here. I used the term Ethics because that is what other professional organizations use. Basically the SIG will have to set out a standard for acceptable behaviour. Do I consider testing clients security unacceptable? No, not in the examples listed. Do I consider hacking into a rival companies systems to steal secrets unacceptable? Yes, I do. What these standards of acceptable behaviour consist of is a detail that should be discussed at a later time. -- Mark Lane Hard Data Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Telephone: 01-780-456-9771 FAX: 01-780-456-9772 11060 - 166 Avenue Edmonton, AB, Canada T5X 1Y3 http://www.harddata.com/ --> Ask me about our Affordable Alpha Systems! <--
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