>>... Editing is an means to an end, and its the final >>product that's importat. A cut is a cut, a >>transition is a transition..
I agree, PPro and FCP have been reduced to what OS your on.. they both do the job. Regards --- Frank Mixson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well Damn Johnny, you done just blew up all the way, > haven't you? lol > > First of all.. let me say this.. If you find > yourself booked up and turning down editing jobs... > PLEASE steer some of them this way.. (rents late, > car's down, blah, blah, blah, lol). > > > Now to your topic... I thought that premiere was > starting to make inroads into a mac dominated field. > Its just a strange prejudice that people have about > editing software. You've seen a lot of my work, > Johnny, and its all Premiere. Its too bad that the > clients know just enough to be prejudice... Editing > is an means to an end, and its the final product > that's importat. A cut is a cut, a transition is a > transition.. What you have in the end is what really > matters. > > Maybe next time... when they ask you which you use, > ask what difference does it make? That might give > you an opportunity to educate them some... > Perhaps remind them that 20 years no one would > hardly buy foreign cars, not because they were > better or worse, but just that they were different.. > > > That PR guy for Adobe, the "adobe evangelist", I > think his name is Daniel Brown (or something like > that), may be able to provide you with some > statistics, and/or other facts to help you deal with > this type of potential client. > > And seriously Johnny, I could use some editing work > if you're ever overwhelmed.... > > Frank Mixson > > > > > > > Johnny Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So, this is not technical but rather to hear your > comments, most of the > members here are using Adobe Premiere as your > editing system, I think a > few also uses as your editing tool as a freelance > editor, I would love > to hear your comment, I've posted this already at > Adobe Premiere Pro > Forum with little good response other than "buy fcp > to satisfy the > idiots then" mentality... Which I'm not here to bash > either one or the > other... Please read this and I surely would like to > open this as a > discussion, how we can, as an Adobe user, slowly > help change the > perception (not easy, but it's a possible, grass > root effort)... > > Surely everyone on this list have heard of FCP and > how G5+FCP have > helped in many Hollywood films and some very > successful independent > filmmakers, commercials, etc. Very little we hear > about how Premiere did > the job (the most recent about Premiere was with > Dust to Glory HD > feature, but most we hear is FCP this FCP that). Not > to mention, mose > Universities/Technical schools in USA that have a > communication > department uses Mac and have FCP courses, Not much > about Premiere... And > I bet, some of the people who submitted to Adobe's > design competition, > most of them are using a Mac. :) Plus majority of > graphic design, ad > agency, etc are using Mac (including many of you in > this forum got one, > etc)... > > After a successful show/run with my latest film A > Joker's Card with good > critice reviews and winning a Telly Award, I've > found myself standing in > a position where 'EVERYONE' wants me to be > associated with their project > and everyone want me to help edit theirs, I get > about 3-5 request a day > via phone call or email. And out of these, about 80% > of them asked "did > you do it with FCP?" if I said no, they would be > "oh, I want you to help > me but you aren't using FCP, oh well, thanks" (these > are paying gig). > > Then I got a HUGE list of crew/job available on, I > transferred it to > Microsoft Word... 131 pages, list pay/low pay/no pay > jobs available in > the USA that was posted with Mandy.com, I actually, > went through all of > them one by one reading and reading and with ALL of > them that asks for > editors that work in FCP or Avid, not one for > Premiere... (let's leave > Avid out for now... They are re-campaigning strongly > to get their feet > back to the industry game...) > > So, now finally I landed with a big project that > would be a weekly 13 > episode show, the client want HD after episode 6th, > and I promised them > it's not a problem... (either using JVC HD100 HDV > first or by Nov 2005 - > according to Panny, the Panasonic HVX200 will be > available and I can go > with 2 of those)... > > Because of this client, I went and checked on 'off > the shelf' pricing > for uncompressed HD editing system, Adobe have one > for about $16k, > Apple, incredibly speaking can have one (with more > gadget added on than > Adobe's offered) for $17k... And I can put one > together myself for $6k > (this my choice btw) :) > > So, here's what I got frustrated, I wanted to > continue working with > Adobe Premiere Pro, because it's really good, it > evolved from the 4.0 > when I used to work with and I'm not eager to > re-learn a new tool. But I > noticed I would easily increase my return investment > if I go with FCP... > > > It seems that the success of FCP is not only because > of the company that > sells it but also the fanatic users who loves it. > Obviously if you ran > into a Mac user, they always trying to put down your > PC :) But that's a > reason probably because they were proud of their > baby... > > How many members of this forum is soo proud of their > system and Adobe > Premiere Pro that would actually telling EVERYONE > fanatically speaking > how great Premire Pro is? (without making comparison > with any other > software) and can show a reel to others? > > Of course, if you can't afford a MAC, you definetely > will go with > Premiere or Vegas, but sooner or later, many of them > will switch to FCP > because of the current trend within the industry, > that eventually would > kill Premiere's interest in the video production end > due to smaller and > smaller amoutn of users that will stick with it, and > less they will find > an interest to continue supporting it, evetually > cease to exist... (the > latest I hear directly from Apple's Sale is LOTR > also used G5)... > > So, in a way, my point is lost ;) but I guessed what > I'm trying to say > is, if we want to keep Premiere Pro group grow, we > can't rely to Adobe > to spent millions to market and campaign alone. We, > as a user, should > also be fanatically proud of the program and spread > it as fast as FCP > can spread, the grass root effort would help > increase awareness, > visibility etc. And of course, we need filmmakers > (indie) to make a lot > of good films with Premiere and Adobe to continue > encouraging celebrity > filmmakers to utilize Premiere... > > And how would you cope with people who insisting FCP > is MUCH better? > After all, it's the person that does the wanter, > tools are merely making > it easier... But in REALITY world, we need tools > that speed our work > productivity with minimum lost of time... > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! 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