In my previous comment was something of a speculative proposition.  I
actually maintain that if you claim you understand the general, perhaps even
know something like "poetic form" well enough to teach it as you suggest,
that you really do not understand it if the execution following from that
so-called understanding (which here we're freely admitting is of the
abstract schematic ideas) is without exception unsuccessful.  Invariable
failure demonstrates spectacularly that such an "understanding" should be in
question.  The ground for questioning it, in the case of the
English-teacher, is that the form taught schematically is not a teaching of
the form, nor is it a passable comprehension of it.  It's like saying "I
know how to build a house" but because I am completely untrained in any
techniques necessary to build a house my attempt, with minimum preparation,
will also most likely fail.  Was I wrong to claim I know how to build a
house?  The answer is yes.  Just because I have a notion of a house's
structure, even if building a very basic four-wall structure with a roof and
a minimal foundation, I can barely believe I know what building a house
involves.  I know what a house is though.  Also I know what a sonnet is, so
understood as a form of poetry identified by rhyming scheme and meter.  This
reminds of the museum-goer that looks at a Mondrian and says "I can do
that," but the proclamation always seems to beg the question.  By
abstraction, sure most of us can conceive similar compositions and with not
nearly the amount of practice necessary to copy a Rembrandt possess the
necessary skill to produce it.  But even with that skill and vision, will it
quite match the effect?  Again, I am doubtful for most.  Of course many
people can, just as many people can write decent sonnets without a conscious
"yes, that line is 10 syllables, okay so now the next line needs to rhyme".


As for the track-coach in Chariots of Fire, I deny that such a person can
know everything about fast running yet lack the capability to do so, because
I am certain the experience of someone who does have that capacity extends
beyond heuristics for fast running.  Such abilities involve subtleties (the
modifications in muscular movement for excellent runners compared to most of
us that sit most of the day) that fall outside of the domain of general
heuristics, even if we think it's just running.  For some reason we want to
believe the coach really knows everything, but he cannot because he begins
and ends in the universal.

Formal considerations can generate the kernel of a work, but once material
comes into its own, then the form of that work is determined.  Form is a
result, not a blueprint.

-Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: a suggestion

In a message dated 3/19/08 12:00:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> As you
> suggest many storytellers have an awareness of method for producing
tension
> or impact, just not specifics, but I think have a general idea leads one
to
> specifics.  The general never really leaves its particulars behind. 
>
Alas, this is flatly untrue. Believe it: many editors, directors and
teachers
have had a deep understanding of "the general", and many of them tried to
write -- novels, plays, both. As a book publisher I saw numerous manuscripts
from
such people -- oh, so well-constructed, well-made: and dead as balsa wood.
Indeed, I used the phrase "an editor's novel" frequently to convey to
colleagues
the difficulty with yet another submission from a college prof, and even
from
editors-in-chief of major New York houses.

You yourelf probably had a college English-teacher whose knowledge of the
sonnet-form was awesome. But I bet he couldn't write one worth a damn. Do
you
remember the movie "Chariots of Fire", and the track-coach Sam Mussabini? He
knew
more than any other coach   about "the general" components of fast running,
so he could teach it -- but he couldn't do it.

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