Re: 'The process of determination is not about imposing
arbitrary conventional standards or dogmatic regulatory
rules by some overall judicial authority, but rather is
about collaboratively agreeing by a consensus of tentative
opinion.'

as the interrogator said to his victim.

DA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frances Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Junking the Louvre?
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:30:15 -0400

> Frances to Derek and others... 
> 
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> 
> My main point about the need of a relevant governing group
> to make reasonable tentative determinations about works of
> art or works of nonart in tech and science was that the
> sole individual alone is not reliable enough to control
> determinations, and must therefore succumb to the communal
> collective for assurance of their conformity to the norm.
> Relevance need not necessarily require "learnedness" in
> say ordinary common situations, but it does require
> normality. The main thrust here is normative
> reasonableness. If "learnedness" however is usable in a
> broad manner, rather than only in specific academic
> situations, then it might be aligned with some "collateral
> experience" needed about knowing the object of
> determination on the part of all members in the group. 
> 
>  
> 
> The process of determination is not about imposing
> arbitrary conventional standards or dogmatic regulatory
> rules by some overall judicial authority, but rather is
> about collaboratively agreeing by a consensus of tentative
> opinion. There may be dissent among members of the group,
> but the agreed determination will evolve, which is why the
> determination is contingent and conditional and
> provisional. The philosophic support for the probability
> of determinations is fallibility. The determination
> further is not a cause or origin, but rather is a limit
> and ground. To determine a forecasted outcome therefore is
> to agree on setting the boundaries as might be related to
> the situation at issue. 
> 
>  
> 
> A communal act to determine the status of an object in a
> limited ground is not necessarily an act of critical
> judgment or analytic review or empirical inquiry or
> scientific research, although it very well can be and
> ought to be in situations warranting it. At its simplest
> it need only be a means for the individual person to avoid
> uncontrolled abnormality and assure controlled conformity.
> The most that an individual might however be for example
> is a whole single institute or nation of persons and
> peoples. 
> 
>  
> 
> The issue then turns to the object and criteria of a group
> determination. In the case of art and under pragmatism the
> form of a work must be agreed as empowered to reflect
> worthy values and to evoke warranted responses. The values
> and responses in turn will determine the kind of art the
> work might be. This realist approach seems to be the best
> available at the present. 

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