Geoff writes:

> > If Macbeth aspires to replace the king, is the aspiration only
> > emotional? His intellect informs him of potential benefits of his
> > succeeding, his emotion spurs him to tragedy.
> 
Kate responds:
> 
> He couldn't do it without both aspects. The aspiration is both emotional and
> intellectual. Think a little about how you want things.
> 
As a playwright, I'm an elitist to this extent: I don't want to spend my time 
with slackers, no-hope losers, those whose only concern is where the next 
fix, beer, or screw will come from.   I don't want to do this when I GO to 
theater, and, since I spend a lot more time with characters I'm writing, I sure 
don't want to do this as I work on a play. Similarly I find limited interest in 
writing about great performers whose gift allows them to succeed without ever 
"thinking". 

I'm content to see other writers do that, and to find an audience. I WANT 
writers to be different. 

One of the results is that, in always having characters who are 
"high-achievers", I write roles that have the man or woman at more than one 
point saying 
something "intellectual". 

Meantime, however, I hate talking about "themes". It tends to suggest the 
story is merely a useful ladder leading up to the real value: a non-fiction 
lesson. But for me the "real value" of a play or novel or movie lies in the 
multi-rung ladder itself, the story and its effects at each rung, just as it 
does in 
an opera or symphony. 

I get downright uncivil with people who would claim there is a "the meaning 
of" HAMLET or GATSBY or even PRIDE AND PREJUDICE or TWELFTH NIGHT, and that it 
can be expressed in one sentence.    

Still, one friendly reader has told me that a big reason my plays have such 
visceral effects on him is the "themes". I don't intend this, so I've pressed 
him, asking if he doesn't find a scene moving, a character's predicament 
seizing.   Oh, yes-yes, he will insist kindly, but I also like that they give 
me 
something to think about. 

I'm aware that his reaction implies nothing about whether anyone else will 
find the plays worthy. But I believe he's not alone in getting different 
"kinds" 
of "pleasure" from what he reads or sees. Michael Frayn's COPENHAGEN is 
immensely "cerebral". I myself didn't like it because I found it without 
emotion or 
humor. My friend loved it. I love    
Frayn's farce, NOISES OFF. So does my friend. On the other hand, he prefers 
TWELFTH NIGHT to HAMLET or LEAR or MACBETH. I find no genrealization behind all 
this except that we contemplators vary immensely. In particular -- pertinent 
to this moment on thread -- it implies there are people who at least some of 
the time want something that appeals to their intellect. And yet none of them 
say it's because they find such appeals "beautiful". But they do find them 
"interesting". I find the Monty Hall problem intensely interesting, but I can't 
say I'd ever find "beauty" in it. So the mere fact that something gives me 
pleasure, even within a "work of art",   does not depend on "beauty" at all. 
All of 
Michael's dictionary defintions are defective -- but that's fodder for 
another posting.  


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