Folk expressions aside, there's no reason why a completely machine made object cannot be termed an artwork. Actually, many are, from furniture to coffee pots to readymades, to appropriated imagery to types of collage to typography to digitally sprayed paintings, billboard, textiles -- on and on. Machines have been used for artmaking for centuries. The intention and claims of the maker are never sufficient to establish something as art. A claim is a claim and in the case of art, all claims are equal. You're just expressing your opinion, in fact you are making a claim and it is not universally validated by history, art, or practice, despite the reference to a single piece (by Michelangelo) and to a class of art objects (hand wrought 'realist' art). wc
________________________________ From: armando baeza <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:26:42 PM Subject: Re: Facture By hand work,I mean what ever one individual does with his personal skill art- music,poetry,etc.. I'm not referring to machine made objects that are designed and rigidly controlled by the designers. And it's not the medium or concept approach that I'm concerned about. that william refers to, i do both at times, but I have not placed a Michael Angelo upside down,and call it "my art " , not yet anyway. Im referring to the fairness of those who do very realistic work without any skill in the doing of it, and selling it "as their work' to serious buyers who lack awareness. In spanish we call it, Venta de "Gato por Liebre",, selling a "cat for a hare". mando On Sep 29, 2009, at 2:03 PM, [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 9/29/09 4:41:55 PM, [email protected] writes: > > >> If you say the quality is in the object and if you require handiwork to >> produce that quality then your judgment is justified. >> > > If you require handwork to produce an object which you can then call art, > then you are justified in your judgment inasmuch as your judgment is > confirmed by your culture. Handwork is not an attribute of all art-music, > plays, > poetry - therefore it is not a universal attribute of art.I agree with mando > about the computer generated sculpture but not that anything machine made is > not art. > KAte Sullivan
