It is not clear for me what Kate's intention in presenting: 1. Value- social or level of light. 2. fine craftsmanship- quality in general or smoothness of the marks. 3. controlled facture- it is always controlled 4. Kincaid is so reviled(aside from his subjects,sentiment etc) is that he is debasing the facture of the Impressionists.- See no connection between two in any way. Boris Shoshensky
---------- Original Message ---------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected], [email protected] Subject: Re: Facture Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:25:54 EDT In a message dated 9/29/09 11:25:51 AM, [email protected] writes: > I think it's wrong to say that facture in art depends on some > overtly visible and agitated surface treatment. There is as much facture in the > most glass-smooth Ingres portrait as in the clumpiest Lucien Freud > portrait. > I am afraid I thought this was understood. > And the argument that declares handiwork over machine work is spurious > on the face if it since what mode of making is lacking some "machine" or > tool? Tools are extensions of the hands and machines are extensions of such > tools. Where does gradual change in degree become radical change in kind? > Where one's weak eyes loose the ability to discern marks? Or when a > prosthetic device enables -- a better lens or even a microscope -- takes one to > the absolute limit of observable evidence? Absurd? No. Such devices are > standard equipment, together with even more exacting tools such as x-ray, in > any serious art conservation laboratory and they are all crucial to the > examination of facture. > I think what Mando was getting at is that computered generated sculture requires no effort or judgment on the part of the user of the machine. > > The interesting and salient question is, How does facture in a particular > artwork affect response to that work? By extension, we can intelligently > ask, How does an art era or culturally defined group of artwork symbolize > values through facture? Most certainly, the question is not the presence or > absence of facture in art objects, but facture of what sort. > I think the two questions should be reversed-that the values are symbolized through facture which allows the response to the work. If the society admires fine craftsmanship then the society will respond to work with a controlled facture. If the society assumes that all craft is the product of machines then the society will disdain work with a controlled facture as inferior copies of machine production. On another note-it is possible that part of the reason Kincaid is so reviled(aside from his subjects,sentiment etc) is that he is debasing the facture of the Impressionists. Kate Sullivan ____________________________________________________________ Simple and Easy. Click here to wipe out your debt in 12-36 months. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSPqH65wgE1zsteLcWSAt15P 608p8gVOf9aBqSBmX8rMKDnrrt1c8/
