Enter John Cage, enter Duchamp. Mando just won't permit himself to see that art does not reside in material or its process. So the conversation is closed, inside his head. wc
________________________________ From: armando baeza <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:19:44 PM Subject: Re: Facture Chris. There are machines in every large city is the US and in every industrial Country on earth at present, that operate machines that give you an exact duplicate of any object, in "any size" of one's choice. Choice is the only demand needed. A child can choose anything and have it enlarged to monumental sizes, in any material, bronze ,stone, etc,, just by choice and the means to pay for it, that is all. And claim it as his original. If that is ok for sculpture,would it be ok for Music, painting, poetry? That way , every Tom Dick and Mando can be creators of all the arts. I will soon make use of that machine to enlarge one of "my" sculptures. The Difference will be that it will be a choice from my own experiences, not a choice of someone else's experience. I feel uniqueness can be maintain, that way, for what ever reason of aesthetic value is preserved. mando On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:40 AM, Chris Miller wrote: > If , as William says, "A claim is a claim and in the case of art, all claims > are equal", then no claims are " universally validated by history, art, or > practice", and the absence of such validation is irrelevant. > > If you disagree with Mando's claim, all you can do is offer examples of > "machine made art" (as Mando defines it) which you would call good art. > > But unfortunately, Mando's definition is "those who do very realistic work > without any skill in the doing of it" > > And how do you determine the presence or absence of skill, if not by the > appearance of the results? > > Which makes the discussion of "machine made" -- or really any other kind of > "facture" --- just another art-talk attempt to make a personal judgment sound > more important. > > Mando doesn't like certain paintings and sculptures -- and since he's spent > fifty years designing things, it can be important to know what those are. > > But his attempt to generalize those judgments with reference to "machine made" > has gone nowhere. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click now for effective psoriasis treatment solutions. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxRUxwJZTI6je0BGMgPD1QMFh > SfuGauNpbcMh1nyexbTyN5fzI81PK/
