Whether or not I say something is good art does not guarantee it as art. Maybe everything that was ever decided as art will one day be dismissed as art. And visa-versa. I can offer examples of machine made art as art but it's only my proposition; I can offer examples that I don't propose as art but which might be art.
Skill as handiwork is not the necessary condition of art as a global class of things. It might be necessary to specific examples of art. wc ________________________________ From: Chris Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 8:40:08 AM Subject: Re: Facture If , as William says, "A claim is a claim and in the case of art, all claims are equal", then no claims are " universally validated by history, art, or practice", and the absence of such validation is irrelevant. If you disagree with Mando's claim, all you can do is offer examples of "machine made art" (as Mando defines it) which you would call good art. But unfortunately, Mando's definition is "those who do very realistic work without any skill in the doing of it" And how do you determine the presence or absence of skill, if not by the appearance of the results? Which makes the discussion of "machine made" -- or really any other kind of "facture" --- just another art-talk attempt to make a personal judgment sound more important. Mando doesn't like certain paintings and sculptures -- and since he's spent fifty years designing things, it can be important to know what those are. But his attempt to generalize those judgments with reference to "machine made" has gone nowhere. ____________________________________________________________ Click now for effective psoriasis treatment solutions. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxRUxwJZTI6je0BGMgPD1QMFh SfuGauNpbcMh1nyexbTyN5fzI81PK/
