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________________________________ From: armando baeza <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 12:00:55 AM Subject: Re: Facture I also envision a gigantic Urinal, but someone else would do it. mando On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:44 PM, armando baeza wrote: > I can always get into making Duchamp ceramic urinals with yellow glaze stains. > mando > > On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:34 PM, William Conger wrote: > >> I wouldn't be out of business. I could do other kinds of artwork. Or I'd >> hire someone to make my work from my plans. Or I'd appropriate or make >> collages or write or... ...trouble is, I'd probably not be very good...or >> wait, maybe I'd be better. Hmm. Might even go back to the figure. So much >> to do, so little time. >> wc >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: armando baeza <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:53:57 PM >> Subject: Re: Facture >> >> "those who can do >> those who can't Duchamp' >> so I"m told. >> >> John Cage does like you and me. >> You do color form and space >> I do color form and space >> Cage does silent space and sound >> >> Without material an process >> both of us would be out of business >> >> mando >> On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:34 PM, William Conger wrote: >> >>> Enter John Cage, enter Duchamp. Mando just won't permit himself to see >>> that art does not reside in material or its process. So the conversation >>> is closed, inside his head. >>> wc >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: armando baeza <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: armando baeza <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:19:44 PM >>> Subject: Re: Facture >>> >>> Chris. >>> There are machines in every large city is the US and in every industrial >>> Country on earth at present, that operate machines that give you an >>> exact duplicate of any object, in "any size" of one's choice. Choice is the >>> only demand needed. A child can choose anything and have it enlarged >>> to monumental sizes, in any material, bronze ,stone, etc,, just by >>> choice and the means to pay for it, that is all. And claim it as his >>> original. >>> If that is ok for sculpture,would it be ok for Music, painting, poetry? >>> That way , every Tom Dick and Mando can be creators of all the arts. >>> >>> I will soon make use of that machine to enlarge one of "my" sculptures. >>> The Difference will be that it will be a choice from my own experiences, >>> not a choice of someone else's experience. I feel uniqueness can be >>> maintain, that way, for what ever reason of aesthetic value is preserved. >>> mando >>> >>> On Sep 30, 2009, at 6:40 AM, Chris Miller wrote: >>> >>>> If , as William says, "A claim is a claim and in the case of art, all >>>> claims >>>> are equal", then no claims are " universally validated by history, art, or >>>> practice", and the absence of such validation is irrelevant. >>>> >>>> If you disagree with Mando's claim, all you can do is offer examples of >>>> "machine made art" (as Mando defines it) which you would call good art. >>>> >>>> But unfortunately, Mando's definition is "those who do very realistic work >>>> without any skill in the doing of it" >>>> >>>> And how do you determine the presence or absence of skill, if not by the >>>> appearance of the results? >>>> >>>> Which makes the discussion of "machine made" -- or really any other kind of >>>> "facture" --- just another art-talk attempt to make a personal judgment >>>> sound >>>> more important. >>>> >>>> Mando doesn't like certain paintings and sculptures -- and since he's spent >>>> fifty years designing things, it can be important to know what those are. >>>> >>>> But his attempt to generalize those judgments with reference to "machine >>>> made" >>>> has gone nowhere. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>> Click now for effective psoriasis treatment solutions. >>>> http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxRUxwJZTI6je0BGMgPD1QMFh >>>> SfuGauNpbcMh1nyexbTyN5fzI81PK/
