Yes, I thought that was one of its meanings. It is used in artspeak because it connotes "abstract" the non concrete? KAte Sullivan
-----Original Message----- From: William Conger <[email protected]> To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 10:47 pm Subject: Re: Pictorial Realism as Verity I take it that you mean abstract as opposed to concrete. Although the artspeak word abstract became popular in modernism it still connoted the concept of the abstract. wc ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 8:03:54 PM Subject: Re: Pictorial Realism as Verity The word abstract was used to mean a quality before its use to mean art which was not representational. The quality of abstraction came before the art which is called abstract. I think this means the comment is not circular. "Verity comes first and produces conventions? First the verity of art as an abstraction and later the convention of abstract art?" Your comment " But since all art or all 'verity' is abstract, the comment is circular." would be a generalization. Kate Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: William Conger <[email protected]> To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:41 pm Subject: Re: Pictorial Realism as Verity The quality exists before category of art? Please explain. WC ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 11:45:04 AM Subject: Re: Pictorial Realism as Verity T I think there is a confusion here between the sobriquet used to mean a category of art and a quality. The quality exists before the cateogry of art. The quality produces the verity and the category as a convention follows after. KAte Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: William Conger <[email protected]> To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 8:55 am Subject: Re: Pictorial Realism as Verity Yes, Kate, I think you are right to mention a 'convention of abstract art'. But since all art or all 'verity' is abstract, the comment is circular. WC ----- Original Message ---- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 7:00:26 AM Subject: Re: Pictorial Realism as Verity Verity comes first and produces conventions? First the verity of art as an abstraction and later the convention of abstract art? kate Sullivan -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mallory <[email protected]> To: aesthetics-l <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 11:48 pm Subject: Re: Pictorial Realism as Verity ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Conger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Pictorial Realism as Verity
Thus conventions produce verity. What produces the conventions?
_______________________________________________________ Pragmatic concerns. When an idea, perspective or mental construction works to explain or describe, conventions are adopted as a way of institutionalizing our collective experience. Thus, reliable experience produces conventions. Mike Mallory
