On 17 Sep 2018, at 18:14, Robert Andrews wrote:
+100 On 09/17/2018 02:36 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:Being as Ubiquiti has decided to go down the frivolous lawsuit path as their business model i've decided to never use any Ubiquiti products or services in my business model.The only way for me to change my business model to include Ubiquiti would be for them to change their business model.Suing your customers and inflicting our industry with harm puts you outside of my vendor list.Also saying "but if you want to talk about products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free to reach out to me privately." is kind of like Ford in the 1970's saying "if you want to talk about anything else besides exploding Pintos, feel free to reach out to me privately." The lawsuit is both a symptom and a cause to problems at Ubiquiti and you can't just brush the elephant in the room under the rug.2 cents -SeanOn Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:28 AM Cameron Crum <cc...@murcevilo.com <mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote:In the interest of full disclosure, for those that don't know, and given the current environment, when I joined the group I had my own company (still do, just not doing much with it currently), but now also work for ubnt although I am not here to shill for them nor willI involve myself in discussions about them unless I see somethinggrossly in error. I would actually rather keep that side of things separate from this group as I value the relationships here above anyemployment scenario. My job at ubnt is actually to engage with operators and try to find a better way to create and maintain relationships with them. I hope to take all the past failures andcriticisms and present them with a plan on how to be better at that side of things. I actually prefer to hear the bad stuff as that is what I can use to help change things, hopefully. I don't want this to turn into a discussion about the company, but if you want to talkabout products or anything other than the lawsuit, feel free toreach out to me privately. I just don't want to seem like the enemylurker. Best, CameronOn Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:Likewise. I hope that he is lurking in incognito mode at least.bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 9/15/2018 8:44 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:Yes, he is missed. On Saturday, September 15, 2018, <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Harass, welcome. I hope for the day to see Ken Hohof show up. *From:* Mathew Howard *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 5:58 PM *To:* AFMUG *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notificationWell, it would only be new lurkers that would get outed, Iassume... but yeah, if all we're seeing is an email address, that can be pretty anonymous anyway.I'm not sure what good it would really do us though... other than give us an opportunity to harass new people.On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:Probably best to not out the lurkers. There are about500 list members but only about 10% post. *From:* Mathew Howard *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:03 PM *To:* AFMUG *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notification I assume most of the subscribers to this list never actually post anything. It might be kind of interesting to see who's watching us...I imagine there are some people that wouldn't like it,but if they aren't going to every post anything anyway, do we care? On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:I think enough information is shared feely in thisgroup to warrant folks being identified as recipients of the information. If I were signingup, I don’t think it would be unreasonable to beidentified as being a part of the list given the value of the discussions on the list. Regards, David Coudron*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of*Adam Moffett *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:34 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF subscription notificationA manufacturer rep might prefer to quietly lurk and observe....or a government rep.Nobody is entitled to//privacy in a public forum,but I'm sure some would prefer it. -Adam On 9/14/2018 1:53 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: xx...@xxxx.xxx has been successfully subscribed to AF.I am thinking of posting this when new peoplejoin. 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