This article (and a previous one at theverge.com) makes me want to use my old Panasonic 42” 720p plasma dumb TV forever, and not hook it up to any streaming devices either (too late, I’ve got a Roku connected to it). Even so, I’m probably screwed because it’s connected to an AT&T cable box which is probably collecting and monetizing the same data. At least none of them have cameras (AFAIK), although Google, Amazon or Facebook would happily sell me devices that listen to everything I see and also have cameras.
This shouldn’t surprise anyone, but I wonder if people really know that TV and streaming device manufacturers don’t really make a profit selling the hardware, their profit comes from data, ads and crapware. https://www.howtogeek.com/401666/the-smart-tv-crapware-era-has-already-begun/ From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 9:34 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical The DVR+ is one TV only; don't know about the Stream+. Yes, we pipe the HDMI through the AVR. Our DVR+ is hardwired. Don't know if there is a WiFi option. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:13 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Can you watch the DVR from other TVs? I presume it has hdmi out for the video? Ethernet lan or wifi only? From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 6:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical This page has a comparison of the Stream+, Romio, Fire TV Recast, and Tablo. Romio has 4 tuners, but requires a subscription. https://www.channelmaster.com/OTA_DVR_s/336.htm -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: They replaced the DVR+ with the Stream+. It looks mostly similar, but is cheaper. Don't really care for the new form factor, but it's not obnoxious. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 4:58 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: Yeah, but the DVR+ appears to be discontinued. On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 6:38 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: Similar to the DVR+. It has 2 tuners, which works great for us. If you're watching live TV, you can pause/rewind/fast forward. You can record two programs while watching a pre-recorded show. It also has several "streaming channels", but we almost never watch them through the DVR+. If we want to stream something, we go through the Roku. Roku connects us to pretty much anything we're interested in; Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Vudu. There must be 30 or 40 different streaming thingies. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 3:22 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote: So, the AirTV does have an ethernet port on it, and it works fine to just plug it into the lan instead of using wifi. After it's setup, the over the air channels show up in the Sling app, just like the Sling streaming channels. They do give you the option of signing up for a free account if you don't want to subscribe to Sling. The biggest problem I see with it, is that you can't pause and rewind live tv... you can start recording something and then go watch the recorded program to be able to pause and rewind, but that's a bit of a pain. They do have another box, the AirTV Player (which is basically an Android TV box with a USB tuner that plugs into it), that does let you pause and rewind live TV, but it only works for one TV, and you need to have an antenna connected to it. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 9:04 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: When you get it, please let me know how I can get the content off of it without using wifi, if possible. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:45 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical You don't need a sling subscription (or at least not a paid one), and it does have an ethernet port. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 8:39 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Two downsides I see: 1) It wants you to subscribe to SlingTV. While I do subscribe I don’t want to have to subscribe. That makes me not want to buy it. 2) It delivers content via wifi. It probably would not talk from my basement to my upstairs. If it has the ability to deliver via lan then it is much more useful to me. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:33 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical I just ordered one of these: https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv/ The only downside I see compared to the Amazon thing is that it's only got two tuners instead of four, but it's a lot cheaper and it works with a roku. You do need a USB hard drive for dvr functions, since it doesn't have one built in. Sling has a deal going right now for a free one if you prepay for 3 months of service (which is only $75). On Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 7:58 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR. I use Roku for almost everything else. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box. I have a Roamio. I own it. I don’t pay them anything monthly. After the upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked... Arrgh. Might go with Amazon Firebox... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _____ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com On Jan 14, 2019 7:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Yeahbut, I need OTA DVR. I use Roku for almost everything else. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cynical I've really been liking Roku for a streaming device. On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 7:32 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Tivo send me an ad trying to get me to upgrade to their latest box. I have a Roamio. I own it. I don’t pay them anything monthly. After the upgrade deal went away, my Roamio bricked... Arrgh. 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