I am not sure you are ever going to see much MM wave deployment down to the device level. I see it more being used as a backhaul/mesh connectivity to the small cells and/or services to fixed wireless locations much the same as a WISP. The gain needed to overcome free space loss AND the fact that they still have to comply with maximum permissible exposure limits for uncontrolled public spaces is always going to be a limiting factor. Hard to put an antenna with any real gain in a mobile device that is always moving around. To that end small footprints per cell and massive frequency re-use with smarter antenna systems will be the big play in 5G/small cell deployments. That being said the pole attachment management and interconnectivity of all those cells makes for interesting deployment challenges.
I wrote an article on this topic a while back. You are correct in that they are only going to deploy these based on network pressures and demand. Knowing where those network pressures are is the key. https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-networks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/ Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2019 10:45 PM To: AFMUG Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat That doesn't surprise me... putting a microcell every 1500' is the only way they're going to have any hope of millimeter wave working to phone. I'm assuming they don't have unlimited money to dump into it... which means there isn't going to be a lot of this stuff getting built outside of really densely populated areas. On Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 9:00 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Incidentally I just got exposed to some details about a Verizon 5G build. They're putting a microcell on a pole every 1500 feet. Every. 1500. Feet. This happens to be a distributed antenna system where they're using RFOG to bring the signal from a central base station to each of these microcells. Each one is fed by a 12 fiber ribbon, so it's a 288 count cable running down the road from cell to cell. My mind was blown. The money they must be dumping into this 5G thing is so great that it's hard to understand why they prefer that over Fiber to the prem. Service drops are hard? Or demand for mobile capacity is really that huge? On 4/24/2019 10:42 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well, imagine that... who would've ever guessed that they aren't going to put up millimeter wave stuff in areas where there's nothing but maybe few cows and a goat actually within range of the towers... On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:58 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: This almost needs a rim shot. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/04/millimeter-wave-5g-isnt-for-widespread-coverage-verizon-admits/ bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 4/19/2019 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Read a good report from a writer that tried 5g all over downtown Chicago. No surprises. Sucks just as bad as any other mm wave with less than ideal los. Nothing to worry about. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2019, at 3:08 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: I had a customer today say very authoritatively that 5G will give all rural users gigabit speeds and wanted to know when we were switching to it (houses on his road are 2 per mile). Of course I also had a support call from a customer putting his email address into Firefox to get his email, and another who couldn’t understand that her domain registrar was asking her to create security challenge questions, not to answer them. My customers are not necessarily the sharpest knives in the drawer. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 4:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat LTE wasn't a twinkle in anyone's eye when Clearwire was deploying WiMax. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _____ From: "Gino A. Villarini" <g...@aeronetpr.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 8:09:47 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat By not choosing LTE, they lost the change of interop, volume manufacturing etc.. 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Filename not specified. _____ From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 11:05:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real threat That and that they hung their hat on WiMax (in the beginning). bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 4/18/2019 8:19 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > It's hard to have a modest plan with LEOs. You need lots of birds to > have coverage. Clearwire's failing was a lack of funding for > significant coverage. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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