I have no idea how a Prius works, but in a Tesla while you do have to keep
your foot on the accelerator to keep regenerative braking from kicking in,
it isn't using any power to speak of when you're coasting. A gas car is
still burning gas when your foot isn't on the pedal too...
On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 12:51 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> Consider that we sometimes have the truck running for 6 hours a day.
>
> Between driving, keeping the cab warm or cold in extreme conditions, or
> lighting up a tower or location in the dark, running safety light bars on
> the vehicle.
>
> Electric just doesn’t seem efficient.
>
> I also find the regenerative breaking annoying and wasteful. On a flat
> road I have to keep my foot on the accelerator and basically burn electric
> to just keep going.
>
> With a gas vehicle on the same piece of road I can leave my foot off the
> accelerator and coast for miles at a time.
>
> Our Tundra is rates for 16-18 MPG highway driving. I get 22.
>
> I know how to drive a gas vehicle. I have yet to see comparable endurance
> out of an electric vehicle.
>
> On Nov 30, 2019, at 1:10 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
>
> The brake pads in my Tesla should easily last 300k or more miles because I
> rarely use them. The cars regenerative braking is so strong I basically
> only drive with the throttle now. As soon as I let off, the car will use
> regen on the motors and slow me down all the way to 0 now and then apply a
> brake hold until I apply power again. The actual brake pedal is only used
> for quick or emergency stops.
>
> So yes, it takes energy to climb a hill but you'll use regen the whole way
> down and regain some of that lost energy. You don't get 100% of it back
> because nothing is that efficient but you get nothing back from a gas
> vehicle when you slow down or go down a hill. You always lose energy as
> long as the engine is running.
>
> And range estimates on cars are exactly that, estimates. Don't take the
> article literally that the car went from 50 miles of range to 8 miles. Just
> as in a gas car, the estimate is not perfect.
>
> Moral of the story is, don't run out of gas or battery power and life will
> be good. A portable generator to charge a car is not a great idea. It's
> easier to get a flatbed and drop the car off at a supercharger or a 220v
> outlet to charge faster. I know my car won't let me navigate somewhere
> without telling me I need to charge in order to reach the destination. It's
> pretty idiot proof as it should be. I have yet to run out of juice either
> but I've gotten close like pulling into the garage at 1% range. Tesla does
> say they have a 5% reserve on average so even if I hit 0%, I'd have around
> 15 miles left in the battery before it truly stops.
>
> Proper planning is best for any vehicle and as more superchargers are
> built and more level 2 chargers installed at restaurants and hotels, the
> range anxiety will be a thing of the past.
>
> For wisp's, you can have chargers installed at the office or wherever the
> trucks sit at night and have a full tank every morning. And it's very
> doubtful you'll run dead. If you drive 200 miles or more in one day, you
> need to schedule jobs more efficiently because that's over 3.5 hours of
> windshield time you're paying your techs. Their time should be spent
> installing, not driving.
>
> The corner cases like ranchers in Montana are well under 1% of drivers and
> they'll eventually go electric too once big diesel trucks aren't made in
> 10+ years.
>
> This is a train that is coming down the tracks and while it's not possible
> today to produce enough batteries for EV's to replace everything overnight,
> in 10 years the majority of new vehicle sales will be electric whether you
> like it or not. It's simply the future and everything will get better.
> Better motors, cheaper and higher density batteries, chargers everywhere
> including rural towns, etc.
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 11:52 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> A nice side affect of regenerative braking is that my brake pads look
>> like they've barely been used... and my car has almost 60k miles on it.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 11:16 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yah. Teslas are not like that. Going down a mountain generates power.
>>> Slowing down (sort of braking) generates power. In aggressive throttle
>>> mode, you hardly have to touch the brake as you can accelerate and slow
>>> down with regenerative braking.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 11/30/2019 8:58 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> > My experience with a Toyota Prius the other week was that climbing a
>>> hill I could deplete the battery but coming down would not charge it.
>>> >
>>> > So yes. You’ll get into a deficit.
>>> >
>>> >> On Nov 30, 2019, at 11:25 AM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 11/30/19 5:56 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> >>> Depends on distance. My car is always charged. So I always have
>>> 200 miles on the tank. At the end of a full day of driving yes it needs to
>>> be charged. Local police departments are making Teslas work. Just takes a
>>> different mindset. No maintenance and a truck good for a half million
>>> miles with no fuel costs is pretty attractive to me (I charge with solar).
>>> >> How much do you lose climbing elevation? Let's say sea level up to
>>> 7000' 180 miles uphill (San Fransisco to Donner Pass). It's a minimal grade
>>> for the first 100 miles then the last 80 is nothing but uphill. Back when
>>> Tesla was first doing their supercharger network thing they put ones in
>>> Roseville (basically the bottom of the hill) and more in Truckee (just past
>>> the summit) so the assumption was that the climb is hard and you would
>>> charge before going up the hill and charge again after the climb. Even just
>>> to go to Lake Tahoe requires crossing an 8000' summit (Reno is around
>>> 4200').
>>> >>
>>> >> I'd like to get my wife an electric car, but it seems like normal
>>> mountain driving would eat the battery quickly and then it never gets used
>>> except for flat driving to and from her job or shopping. I'll have 16.3kW
>>> DC of solar panels by the end of February and the way I see it is free
>>> "fuel" for the car. I don't care about saving the planet as much as I am
>>> interested in technology.
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