Exactly. And then you always know the IP of Netflix traffic on your network.
> On Jan 23, 2020, at 5:47 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Can't you get a netflix box from netflix? > > -----Original Message----- From: Matt Hoppes > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2020 3:42 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Darin Steffl > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The Future > > We have a Netflix CDN... I'm literally trying to get a MikroTik > consultant who can write a simple queue. > > I'm finally just giving up on a consultant and just need to find the > time to do it myself. > > It's really not that hard... you know the IPs for your Netflix CDN... it > doesn't change. You need a queue that matches to the source of that CDN > going to each end user. > >> On 1/23/20 5:04 PM, Darin Steffl wrote: >> Matt, >> >> Caching is something from the 90's unless it's with a direct CDN provider >> like Akamai or Netflix. If you're trying to do this yourself without having >> an appliance or server farm from a CDN, you're dreaming. This is why you >> won't find a Mikrotik consultant that can do the job for you. >> >> Gone are the days of T1's and HTTP caches so get with the times. Upgrade >> your middle mile circuits so this isn't a concern. >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >> <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> you have to log into the netflix account and set it off auto for >> each sub account >> >> ours was 512k max. maybe resolution on a tv would have been >> pixelated we did our verifications from PC >> >> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:25 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com >> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Interesting. >> >> On 1/23/2020 4:23 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> > The cell carriers have caching servers installed so they can >> > manipulate the traffic. We are working on doing something >> similar... >> > but so far every MikroTik consultant I've hired has screwed >> me on this. >> > >> > On 1/23/20 4:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >> If I recall correctly, they have lower quality levels for >> mobile >> >> users on 4G. I wonder how they know you're mobile and >> whether you >> >> can trick the system into counting your user as mobile. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 1/23/2020 4:17 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >>> Yeah, last I looked that's what they said the lowest >> quality needed. >> >>> A few years back I did some testing with various speeds, >> and I think >> >>> I got down to somewhere around 500k before Netflix would >> break. But >> >>> even then, the picture quality was getting pretty ugly. >> >>> >> >>> But seriously... if Netflix defaulted to lower quality (not >> lowest, >> >>> but in the middle), and made you set it higher if you >> wanted, most >> >>> people would never know or care... and it'd save a lot of >> bandwidth. >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:14 PM Adam Moffett >> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> >> >>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I'm pretty sure the lowest quality level on Netflix >> needs 0.7 >> >>> mbps. If your rule ended up giving them 256k+512k then >> it would >> >>> have worked. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On 1/23/2020 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>>> Way back in the day, when powercode had the old type >> queue, we >> >>>> built our basic one to buffer at 512 long enough to >> maintain a 2 >> >>>> hour sd stream at 256k with periodic 512k bucket >> refills. so >> >>>> really it was 512k effectively. It may very vell be that >> >>>> expectations of "standard" definition were different >> back then. >> >>>> but I thought that was an actual resolution standard >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:58 PM Ken Hohhof >> <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >> >>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> I don’t remember ever being able to stream Netflix >> on 256K. >> >>>> 1M maybe, and 1.5M still gives you decent SD. You’re >> going >> >>>> to need at least 2.5M though for HD. So that’s >> one part of >> >>>> the answer is HD. Some streaming services, like >> DirecTV On >> >>>> Demand, don’t have adaptive video quality and want >> a minimum >> >>>> of 5M to stream. Another factor is “live” video, >> which is >> >>>> compressed on-the-fly and probably not as >> efficiently as >> >>>> pre-recorded content. >> >>>> >> >>>> Of course, if the customer has more, video streams >> will >> >>>> happily use it. >> >>>> >> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 23, 2020 2:29 PM >> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>> >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The Future >> >>>> >> >>>> we are at the end of the wireless backhaul road. >> when I >> >>>> started 15 or so years ago, we were just moving off a >> >>>> handdful of random T1s to a bonded 6mb circuit >> backhauling >> >>>> that was nothing. Now we have two gig circuits on >> separate >> >>>> parts of our network, and we are a tiny WISP in >> podunk USA.. >> >>>> We dont put less than 1.2gbps backhauls in for >> core backhauls >> >>>> now. The existing technology for distance in a >> single unit us >> >>>> roughly 2gbps when trying to cover any distance of >> merit. >> >>>> Sure you can do more than that, you can cheat >> outside link >> >>>> budgets and ignore your rain region. But if youre >> talking >> >>>> about most temperate region backhauls with legitimate >> >>>> reliability thats the wall. >> >>>> >> >>>> we keep poking a little more bits/hz out, but that >> not really >> >>>> new tech, its all dependent upon smaller and >> smaller path >> >>>> budgets, that eventually wont be attainable. so >> you have to >> >>>> start doing shorter shots, with more radios, more >> channel >> >>>> size, etc. eventually you hit the point where its >> no longer >> >>>> economically viable to keep throwing radio and >> lease costs at >> >>>> it and youll have to put glass in the dirt. >> >>>> >> >>>> Duct is whats future proof, fiber is just the >> current best >> >>>> long term option for transport. pending some >> breakthrough >> >>>> tech, its the only real long term cost effective >> future >> >>>> proofish option. >> >>>> >> >>>> We will hit a wall on demand at some point in the >> near term >> >>>> as we run out of things to connect. >> >>>> >> >>>> Can anybody answer why 256k used to be able to >> deliver a >> >>>> decent SD netflix stream and now i need multiple >> mbps for the >> >>>> same thing? asking for a friend >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:40 PM Carl Peterson >> >>>> <cpeter...@portnetworks.com >> <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >> >>>> <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com >> <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> "Elon started it as a project to raise money, >> yes. Morgan >> >>>> Stanley is up valuing it because they don't >> understand >> >>>> technology. This project is not even close to >> spacex's >> >>>> purpose for existing. If it disappeared it >> would not have >> >>>> any real effect on their overall mission." >> >>>> >> >>>> This isn't really true. There was one primary >> driver. >> >>>> >> >>>> 1) You need to bring down the cost of launch >> considerably >> >>>> in order to expand the launch market to a size >> where >> >>>> developing and maintaining a reusable rocket >> fleet makes >> >>>> sense but you can't bring down the cost of >> launch till >> >>>> you have customers to fill the launch >> manifest and that >> >>>> spool up will take years. SpaceX thinks they >> have solved >> >>>> this by becoming their own customer for all >> their extra >> >>>> launch capacity for the foreseeable future. >> >>>> >> >>>> When they looked at #1 above they >> realized that there was >> >>>> a huge potential market there and even a a few >> % of the >> >>>> global internet market could be a cash cow for >> years to >> >>>> come. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 9:13 PM Jason McKemie >> >>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com >> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> >>>> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com >> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Elon started it as a project to raise >> money, yes. >> >>>> Morgan Stanley is up valuing it because >> they don't >> >>>> understand technology. This project is not >> even close >> >>>> to spacex's purpose for existing. If it >> disappeared >> >>>> it would not have any real effect on their >> overall >> >>>> mission. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, Robert >> >>>> <i...@avantwireless.com >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> >> >>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> um, no, Starlink is now becoming the >> primary >> >>>> reason for the huge run-up in >> valuation for >> >>>> SpaceX... >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-future-multibillion-dollar-valuation-starlink-internet-morgan-stanley-2019-9 >> >>>> >> >>>> On 1/21/20 4:15 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> The difference being that this is >> a side >> >>>> project for one of the main >> businesses, not >> >>>> their primary purpose. At best I >> don't think >> >>>> this is going to be anything >> besides a better >> >>>> alternative to other satellite >> internet >> >>>> options. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2020, >> Darin Steffl >> >>>> <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> >>>> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Guys, lots of misinformation here. >> >>>> >> >>>> They are NO plans nor hints of >> >>>> integrating Starlink antennas >> into Tesla >> >>>> cars. It may happen but no one >> has hinted >> >>>> of this happening. All Tesla's >> have 3G or >> >>>> 4G modems already built-in to >> them along >> >>>> with WiFi. Updates are sent >> via WiFi >> >>>> first and after the fleet has >> received >> >>>> the updates, they eventually >> push it to >> >>>> cars via cellular data that >> haven't >> >>>> updated via WiFi. >> >>>> >> >>>> Regarding B2B backhaul, I >> don't believe >> >>>> you'll see this as an option >> anytime soon >> >>>> for WISP's or other ISP's. They're >> >>>> targeting residential and small >> >>>> businesses as well as >> >>>> government contracts. The cost >> if they >> >>>> did offer B2B backhaul >> services would >> >>>> likely be higher than fiber to >> your >> >>>> network. Please stop thinking >> this will >> >>>> happen as I bet it will not. >> >>>> >> >>>> They may offer a self install >> option but >> >>>> they'll also have a contractor >> to perform >> >>>> most installs for a cost is my >> guess. >> >>>> Maybe they'll send a self >> install kit for >> >>>> X price and if you can't get >> it working, >> >>>> they'll schedule a contract >> install for >> >>>> XX price. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'll also say that you should >> not doubt >> >>>> Elon's passion to achieve >> great things. I >> >>>> have a Tesla and it's a work >> of art and >> >>>> by far the best vehicle I've >> ever driven. >> >>>> 99% of people who have driven >> one also >> >>>> think this. Tesla is >> succeeding, SpaceX >> >>>> is on it's way there, The >> Boring Company >> >>>> is half done with their Vegas >> tunnel, and >> >>>> Starlink will likely be a viable >> >>>> competitor for us. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 4:48 >> PM Ryan Ray >> >>>> <ryan...@gmail.com >> <mailto:ryan...@gmail.com> >> >>>> <mailto:ryan...@gmail.com <mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Can you link that? What >> exactly were >> >>>> they testing? >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at >> 2:36 PM >> >>>> Robert Andrews >> >>>> <i...@avantwireless.com >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> >> >>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Somehow they passed a >> first >> >>>> review from US DOD... Can't >> be >> >>>> all smoke >> >>>> and mirrors in space... >> >>>> >> >>>> On 01/21/2020 12:18 >> PM, Ryan Ray >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> > I'm still very wary >> of this. >> >>>> There seems to be a lot of >> >>>> over-promising >> >>>> > under delivering. In >> typical >> >>>> Elon fashion, no >> details but the >> >>>> world runs >> >>>> > with it and puts out >> all these >> >>>> data models that make >> it seem >> >>>> like the >> >>>> > second coming of christ. >> >>>> Customer CPE is a >> pizza box ufo >> >>>> <$200 and they >> >>>> > are starting in >> 2020, but >> >>>> there's no pictures or >> details. >> >>>> How is that >> >>>> > even possible? We're >> buying >> >>>> 450b at a more >> expensive cost and >> >>>> there >> >>>> > ain't no phased >> antenna with >> >>>> motors in it. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Then all you read >> online is the >> >>>> cult following of >> spaceslax who >> >>>> takes a >> >>>> > twitter post as >> gospel and just >> >>>> keeps perpetuating the >> same tired >> >>>> > information. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 >> at 10:02 >> >>>> AM Bill Prince >> >>>> <part15...@gmail.com >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> >>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> >> >>>> > >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >> >>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com >> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: >> >>>> > >> >>>> > If the SpaceX >> Starlink >> >>>> system works at 50% of >> what it's >> >>>> hyped, it will >> >>>> > become the >> future of rural >> >>>> internet. Urban is >> still going >> >>>> to be >> >>>> > dominated >> (eventually) by >> >>>> fiber for the >> foreseeable future. >> >>>> Higher >> >>>> > speed >> >>>> > wireless will be >> very, very >> >>>> local. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > bp >> >>>> > >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On 1/19/2020 >> 6:29 PM, Matt >> >>>> Hoppes wrote: >> >>>> > > I don’t know >> why, but >> >>>> this evening got me >> thinking about >> >>>> > broadband >> delivery over the >> >>>> past 30 years and the >> future of >> >>>> broadband. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > First we had >> nothing, >> >>>> then along came >> dial-up and >> >>>> that was >> >>>> > amazing and many >> companies >> >>>> sprung up offering the >> service. >> >>>> Giants >> >>>> > like AOL and >> Prodigy. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > Then DSL and >> Cable came >> >>>> along as well as >> wireless and >> >>>> dial-up has >> >>>> > all but died. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > Now DSL is >> basically >> >>>> dead, cable and >> wireless have >> >>>> gone through >> >>>> > several >> iterations and we >> >>>> are seeing a push to >> fiber. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > What’s the >> possibility >> >>>> in the next 10 years >> cable and >> >>>> wireless >> >>>> > will be dead >> technologies >> >>>> with fiber at the fore >> front? >> >>>> Possibly. >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > But then..... >> is fiber >> >>>> really future proof? >> We are >> >>>> talking about >> >>>> > investing >> hundreds of >> >>>> millions into fiber >> >>>> infrastructure, because >> >>>> > it’s “the >> future”. But is >> >>>> it? >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > So far every >> technology >> >>>> delivery mechanism to >> date has >> >>>> become >> >>>> > obsolete in as >> little as >> >>>> 6-10 years. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > -- >> >>>> > AF mailing list >> >>>> > AF@af.afmug.com >> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >> >>>> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>>> >> >>>> > >> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> AF mailing list >> >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> AF mailing list >> >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Darin Steffl >> >>>> >> >>>> Minnesota WiFi >> >>>> >> >>>> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com> >> <http://www.mnwifi.com/> >> >>>> >> >>>> 507-634-WiFi >> >>>> >> >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >> >>>> Like us on Facebook >> >>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- AF mailing list >> >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Carl Peterson >> >>>> >> >>>> *PORT NETWORKS* >> >>>> >> >>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >>>> >> >>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >>>> >> >>>> (410) 637-3707 >> >>>> >> >>>> -- AF mailing list >> >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>>> >> >>>> -- AF mailing list >> >>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >> >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Darin Steffl >> Minnesota WiFi >> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> >> 507-634-WiFi >> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
