tiktok wouldnt be allowed to integrate. you dont think thats possible? how are things going for Huawei, the chinese telecoms, etc and where did i say heavy handed? Its really simple, google takes federal dollars, tax dollars, both in grants and in tax abatements, just like anything, nothing is free. Its really simple, no government resource should be conveyed via any google platform(or any other platform) that stifles speech. No government contract can go to any google (Alphabet) platform. just the Login with your google account being removed from portals would have a heavily deleterious impact. No chrome browsers, no android mobile devices, just like Lenovo. none of this is new
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 7:42 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > TikTok is an intelligence gathering platform. Those chinese are some smart > ones thats for sure. > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:29 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > >> So then once a social media platform is integrated into our society our >> government should step in with heavy handed regulation and decide for the >> company what is right and what is wrong? Would that not then be >> suppressing that company’s freedom of speech too? >> >> What if that company wasn’t an American company, what if it was a Chinese >> or Russian company? What if the company was American but the regulating >> government was foreign? >> >> I ask because we now have platforms like tiktok which is Chinese >> operating here in America. Do they have protected speech? Do I have >> protected speech on their platform? Does someone in India get protected >> speech on the platform if the viewer is in America? >> >> Sean >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:00 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> No, that statement actually says the word without need to infer. >>> Integrates >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>> >>>> You stated: >>>> “as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of >>>> society, including government thats 100% true” >>>> >>>> That Statement infers a large house. >>>> >>>> Where’s the line in the sand? >>>> >>>> If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but >>>> not all, including some government, but not all, is that ok? >>>> >>>> Just curious >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> who said anything about the size of the house >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Why should the size of the house matter? It’s my house, I built it >>>>>> with my money. You are free to build your own house or hang out at >>>>>> someone >>>>>> else’s house. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just >>>>>> say whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his >>>>>> rules. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of >>>>>>> society, including government thats 100% true >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions >>>>>>>> free speech on their platform. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to >>>>>>>> hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my >>>>>>>> house I >>>>>>>> should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you >>>>>>>> shut up >>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> now replace house with “social media platform” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones < >>>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not >>>>>>>>> comply with the narrative >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Not really. Today you can get your message out to the world with >>>>>>>>>> a tweet. >>>>>>>>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Steven Kenney >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Steven Kenney >>>>>>>>>> Network Operations Manager >>>>>>>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>>>>>>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>>>>>>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>> *From: *"chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>>>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM >>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they >>>>>>>>>> wanted you to hear. Things are much better now. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all >>>>>>>>>> private corporations though, especially in situations like this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of >>>>>>>>>>> free speech protects the government from stifling speech...private >>>>>>>>>>> citizens >>>>>>>>>>> and corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the >>>>>>>>>>> constitution says. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> YMMV >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie < >>>>>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the >>>>>>>>>>>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the >>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much >>>>>>>>>>>> centrist, but the >>>>>>>>>>>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to >>>>>>>>>>>> adhering to >>>>>>>>>>>> lent now. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Whoa, google took it down? That's amazing. I wonder what >>>>>>>>>>>>> the process that resulted in that was? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google >>>>>>>>>>>>> took it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need >>>>>>>>>>>>> to cover >>>>>>>>>>>>> it up as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the "numbers" is totally fictitious... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sound to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treated like science fact to back up their agenda... Ethics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Medicine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is just about dead, put another nail in the coffin.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1 million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of 50-80 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million. I don't believe the number is actually that high, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speculation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if 70-80% of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the people die. They keep doing that because it’s the textbook >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therapy for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working. Even if it were >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disease, they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fights the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infection. And then you have the people experiencing kidney >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failure and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how to treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read was that even if they develop a successful and safe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccine (many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> challenges including the sensitization problem), then they have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to scale up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccine production. Right now most vaccines are just for each >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new wave of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> population. And not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats. And the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brewing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in a meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessarily going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduce the number of infections. I get the impression that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> medical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community has learned a lot about how to actually treat it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are over 1 million infections, this may be going a while yet. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under 1 million, I would be more encouraged. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks a bit Gaussian to me. 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