As many as it takes until demand <= supply for all counties. > On Jul 31, 2020, at 6:09 AM, Matt Hoppes <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote: > > Round 16? > > How many rounds are there? > > On 7/31/20 6:34 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >> You can purchase C band spectrum, but it will be sold in PEA sized chunks. >> Opening prices have been announced, auction starts in December I believe. >> Not sure of the short form date but if you are going to bid in it you may >> want to form a group. Unfortunately some of the people you probably want >> to talk with might be in the CBRS auction which can make things difficult >> with the anti-collusion rules. >> Mark >>> On Jul 31, 2020, at 3:46 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com >>> <mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote: >>> >>> NO, C-band is going directly to auction block, without any SAS or sharing. >>> There are some discussions to bring more CBRS like spectrum under 3550. >>> 3300-3550 IIRC >>> >>> *Gino****Villarini >>> *Founder/President >>> @gvillarini >>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 >>> aeronet-logo <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> inc500 >>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> fb-logo >>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/> insta-logo >>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en> in-logo >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp> tw-logo >>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor> >>> yt-logo <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA> >>> >>> <https://bit.ly/BBoffer1> >>> www.aeronetpr.com <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> | Metro Office Park #18 Suite >>> 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 >>> >>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on >>> behalf of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> >>> *Reply-To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> *Date:*Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 11:37 PM >>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com >>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>> They are repacking C-band to free up 3700-4000 “for 5G”. Does that mean >>> not for us? >>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On >>> Behalf Of*Kurt Fankhauser >>> *Sent:*Thursday, July 30, 2020 9:48 PM >>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>> If the SAS ends up working out really well to protect incumbents can we >>> expect more spectrum maybe the next 50-100mhz directly below where the new >>> CBRS band is now? >>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 10:38 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>> >We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower >>>> >with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol! >>>> >>>> That says a lot =( >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 7:55 PM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com >>>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote: >>>>> Mark, >>>>> I had an interesting meeting with Cambium, federated and such to help us >>>>> coordinate our channels and so far it been a bonus by getting all of my >>>>> Aps to 30Mhz wide and shifting the channels so we all coexist >>>>> My issue is whats going to happen in phase 2 >>>>> I am sure Ill wake up and all my APs will be disabled or dropped Eirp >>>>> We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower >>>>> with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol! >>>>> On 7/29/2020 12:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>>>>> At this point it depends on what your SAS is doing. >>>>>> Federated (at last conversation) was trying to do some GAA coordination >>>>>> but they were only looking at their own GAA assignments >>>>>> Google (at last conversation) was an expensive black box that says “YES” >>>>>> to any request as long as it doesn’t impact an incumbent. >>>>>> I don’t know what the others are doing. >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> Not yet. I guess that's still a wish list item. >>>>>>> On 7/29/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>> Wait, the lower 100 only denys grants if it impala a pal or the >>>>>>>> elusive incumbent? I thought SAS coordination was across the board in >>>>>>>> that CBRS chunk? >>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz. The >>>>>>>>> only difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only. If you request >>>>>>>>> a frequency in 3650-3700 you would never get denied to protect a PAL >>>>>>>>> operator. But there could be umpteen other GAA operators using that >>>>>>>>> frequency, so I don’t think the SAS needs to consider things like >>>>>>>>> frequency reuse because they just automatically approve the grant >>>>>>>>> unless it would impact a PAL protection area or an incumbent. Also >>>>>>>>> there can be a max of 7 PALs issued in a county, so there should be >>>>>>>>> at least 30 MHz for GAA in the lower 100 MHz. Not a specific set of >>>>>>>>> channels though. But again, there could be umpteen WISPs all trying >>>>>>>>> to use that 30 MHz and I don’t think the SASes do anything to police >>>>>>>>> or coordinate GAA. Even in the case where there is enough GAA >>>>>>>>> spectrum in an area to accommodate everyone on separate frequencies, >>>>>>>>> I don’t see how they would communicate this to the operators, since >>>>>>>>> they either approve or deny grant requests, they don’t suggest gee >>>>>>>>> why don’t you use this other frequency instead, it’s open. You have >>>>>>>>> to do your own SA to determine that. And repeat regularly. Even if >>>>>>>>> there was a mechanism in the protocols to request auto frequency >>>>>>>>> assignment from the SAS, there’s more than one SAS. >>>>>>>>> It’s a very complex system that doesn’t do much if everyone is GAA. >>>>>>>>> Other than give us some more spectrum, and do away with LBT (which >>>>>>>>> sucked). >>>>>>>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On Behalf Of*Steve Jones >>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:44 AM >>>>>>>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>>>> there are only 50mhz gaa, im talking about the other 100 operation >>>>>>>>> without pal >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> With or without PAL? >>>>>>>>>> If you’re GAA, I don’t think they care how you reuse or duplicate >>>>>>>>>> frequencies between your own sectors or with adjacent GAA users. I >>>>>>>>>> think you’re giving the SAS too much credit for policing or >>>>>>>>>> coordinating frequency assignments among GAA users. As long as >>>>>>>>>> you’re not stepping on an incumbent or a PAL protection area, I >>>>>>>>>> think they’ll give you a grant for whatever frequency you want. >>>>>>>>>> PAL holders will probably need to work this out though. >>>>>>>>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>*On Behalf Of*Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:08 AM >>>>>>>>>> *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>>>>> Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency >>>>>>>>>> now? >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> There are several variants: >>>>>>>>>>> Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate >>>>>>>>>>> on the same frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the >>>>>>>>>>> base station and the CPE’s are all a single frequency group - keep >>>>>>>>>>> in mind that in the mobile world the handsets are not CBSD’s. For >>>>>>>>>>> our purposes each BS and all of it’s CPE’s have to be in a single >>>>>>>>>>> frequency group. This is also for frequency reuse - if you use >>>>>>>>>>> channels A, B, C on your network and reuse them in some type of >>>>>>>>>>> pattern you would designate all of the A’s in one SFG, B’s in >>>>>>>>>>> another, etc. If a SFG has to change channels they all have to >>>>>>>>>>> change together. >>>>>>>>>>> Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match. >>>>>>>>>>> Think multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on >>>>>>>>>>> a common UL:DL ratio. Not all use cases want to use the same >>>>>>>>>>> UL:DL ratio. >>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of >>>>>>>>>>>> operators could have overlapping assignments because the operators >>>>>>>>>>>> are using some mechanism to coexist in the channels assigned. I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't know if those made it to the end, nor what form they've >>>>>>>>>>>> taken. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/tSHtCXD0zzhMXWKT6W8j3/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image >>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image >>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image >>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/y0xjC31pnnsRpOKFv6tyb/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>Image >>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>Image >>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/kLSaC73wrrIWAwNskryDr/> >>>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>Image removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. If I am running the same standard as someone else and >>>>>>>>>>>> the same split then I can synchronize with them and we aren’t >>>>>>>>>>>> going to interfere even if we’re relatively close. If on the other >>>>>>>>>>>> hand we are not running the same standards in the same split then >>>>>>>>>>>> we are going to interfere with each other even if we are very far >>>>>>>>>>>> away from each other. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The standards and settings are irrelevant. Tx power - loss = >>>>>>>>>>>>> receive power. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/tSHtCXD0zzhMXWKT6W8j3/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image >>>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image >>>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image >>>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/y0xjC31pnnsRpOKFv6tyb/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>Image >>>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>Image >>>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/kLSaC73wrrIWAwNskryDr/> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>Image removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:55:27 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How does the SASI sure there will be no interference? Since you >>>>>>>>>>>>> can run so many different standards and settings? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, and anyone not operating in cbrs without SAS gets big >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dollar reminders to stop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 PM Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You will have interference protection through the SAS so that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone just can't blindly fire up right on top of your channel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right next to you. Every AP has to get a grant from SAS before >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can transmit. Also if Demand says 15 there is no way to tell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if that is 15 individual bidders or if 4-5 bidders are trying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to bid on 4x10mhz channels each. We will know when the auction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is over more info but while the auction is taking place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything is a secret. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well if you do licensed PTP links it seems you don't get any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of interference protection if someone else doesn't play >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the rules and they don't get any punishment for doing so... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think CBRS will give you interference free protection >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd love to know you do because I don't feel that's going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be a game changer for hitting customers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:42 PM Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drinking! They be purchased after the auction? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Divided over 10 years, it's a manageable number for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interference free spectrum. What do you pay per year in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interference related truck rolls, tech time and list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 12:06 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Obviously the last round is public knowledge. After the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auction is over, are the results of all rounds public >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/tSHtCXD0zzhMXWKT6W8j3/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/y0xjC31pnnsRpOKFv6tyb/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>Image removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>Image >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/kLSaC73wrrIWAwNskryDr/> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Image removed by sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>Image removed by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*"Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:*"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:*Tuesday, July 28, 2020 11:11:20 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct - no way to tell who is bidding. The complete list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of bidders is public knowledge: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.fcc.gov/document/auction-105-35-ghz-qualified-bidders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which counties those 271 bidders are bidding on is only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known by the FCC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume the 14 or 15 bidders is a closely guarded secret? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't begin to think who would be able to pay 30k around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here for that besides Verizon/AT&T/Sprint... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 11:37 AM Mark Radabaugh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note that the confidentiality and anti collusion rules >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apply for anyone who filed the short form. Be very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> careful that what you say in here does not violate the FCC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rules. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everything discussed so far is from the public information >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FCC is releasing or from the auction public notice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To read the results Josh posted: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The price does not include discounts - 75% of the posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> price if you qualified as being under 25M/year in revenue >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - so closer to 27k There is also a rural provider >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> credit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It reads: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the initial round the price of one 10Mhz PAL was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $21,000 not counting any discounts you may have been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eligible for. There were 14 bids at that price, with only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7 lots available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the second round the price of one PAL was $24,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (less discounts). There were 15 bids at that price, with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only 7 available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the 5th round the price for one PAL went up to $33,000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (less discounts) with demand down to 10 PAL’s. The price >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went up for ALL 7 of the PAL’s. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The price will keep going up until the demand is equal to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Once demand gets to 7 there is still a posted price >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increase - but unless someone adds additional demand the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> price will stay at the previous start of round price. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The price/demand could sit at 7 for the next (insert >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number) of rounds and then start going back up if another >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bidder decides they are priced out of one county and want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to move to another county. Or if they are just playing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> games. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once a county is at or above a demand for 7 PAL’s the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> price won’t go down. If you get a PAL in a round and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> later decide you don’t want it, you are stuck buying it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless someone else bids at the higher price. You can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change your demand to 0, saying you don’t want it anymore, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but unless someone else wants it you are stuck with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just like a normal auction - once you are the winning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bidder, you own it unless someone outbids you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For bidders there are required activity levels that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to meet. Essentially you have to bid 95% of your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial deposit on each round. If you don’t bid that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what you are allowed to bid in the next round goes down. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The rule is basically to keep bidders from sandbagging - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you haven’t been bidding and are just waiting to see >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what others are going to do you will run out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eligibility pretty quickly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Cassidy B. Larson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <c...@infowest.com <mailto:c...@infowest.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s up to 37k per 10mhz block. Demand is going down >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though! lol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2020, at 08:22, Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No idea how to read this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <image.png> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:20 AM Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Josh, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is your county up to 30k per 10mhz block? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:08 AM Josh Baird >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <joshba...@gmail.com <mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assuming it's too late at this point to get into the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial rounds that are taking place this week? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haven't really been keeping up with this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 9:54 AM Adam Moffett >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also lost track of the whole auction situation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will there be another round later? Seems like nobody >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bid on some of the counties around us, and I wish I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thrown in a minimum bid at this point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/28/2020 12:40 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our starting bid was relatively inexpensive over the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ten year term for our 5 counties and 4 pals each. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Almost had the boss talked into giving it serious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consideration so i could pull the trigger on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> auction. then the world ended and that got back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> burnered. byt the time we came back to it there was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no time to learn enough about the auction >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 9:54 PM Dave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dmilho...@wletc.com <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My guess is none... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Im sooo sick of the BS games the FCC and 'BIG BOYZ' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are playing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So funny how they say "Sure anyone can get a pal" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FCC should have shoved a big FU to all WISPs and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just let us die. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I first saw the pricing on our county and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounding countys for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bid I knew there was no chance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let the lawsuits FLY... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/27/2020 5:51 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On 7/27/20 15:42, Mark Radabaugh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>https://auctiondata.fcc.gov/public/projects/auction105 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I'm curious to see how many WISPs actually get a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > PAL when this is all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > done. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AF mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- 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