I will not play nice if I see wider than 20 in our 50mhz games. I know this to be true because I am me
On Wed, Jul 29, 2020, 6:55 PM Dave <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote: > Mark, > > I had an interesting meeting with Cambium, federated and such to help us > coordinate our channels and so far it been a bonus by getting all of my Aps > to 30Mhz wide and shifting the channels so we all coexist > > My issue is whats going to happen in phase 2 > > I am sure Ill wake up and all my APs will be disabled or dropped Eirp > > We are looking back into deploying our 900 Aps putting one on each tower > with 120 deg sectors at 20Mhz wide and roll with it lol! > > > On 7/29/2020 12:40 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > > At this point it depends on what your SAS is doing. > > Federated (at last conversation) was trying to do some GAA coordination > but they were only looking at their own GAA assignments > > Google (at last conversation) was an expensive black box that says “YES” > to any request as long as it doesn’t impact an incumbent. > > I don’t know what the others are doing. > > Mark > > On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Not yet. I guess that's still a wish list item. > > > On 7/29/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > Wait, the lower 100 only denys grants if it impala a pal or the elusive > incumbent? I thought SAS coordination was across the board in that CBRS > chunk? > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> If you don’t have a PAL, you are GAA, anywhere in the 150 MHz. The only >> difference is that the upper 50 MHz is GAA only. If you request a >> frequency in 3650-3700 you would never get denied to protect a PAL >> operator. But there could be umpteen other GAA operators using that >> frequency, so I don’t think the SAS needs to consider things like frequency >> reuse because they just automatically approve the grant unless it would >> impact a PAL protection area or an incumbent. Also there can be a max of 7 >> PALs issued in a county, so there should be at least 30 MHz for GAA in the >> lower 100 MHz. Not a specific set of channels though. But again, there >> could be umpteen WISPs all trying to use that 30 MHz and I don’t think the >> SASes do anything to police or coordinate GAA. Even in the case where >> there is enough GAA spectrum in an area to accommodate everyone on separate >> frequencies, I don’t see how they would communicate this to the operators, >> since they either approve or deny grant requests, they don’t suggest gee >> why don’t you use this other frequency instead, it’s open. You have to do >> your own SA to determine that. And repeat regularly. Even if there was a >> mechanism in the protocols to request auto frequency assignment from the >> SAS, there’s more than one SAS. >> >> >> It’s a very complex system that doesn’t do much if everyone is GAA. >> Other than give us some more spectrum, and do away with LBT (which sucked). >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 9:44 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >> >> >> there are only 50mhz gaa, im talking about the other 100 operation >> without pal >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> With or without PAL? >> >> >> If you’re GAA, I don’t think they care how you reuse or duplicate >> frequencies between your own sectors or with adjacent GAA users. I think >> you’re giving the SAS too much credit for policing or coordinating >> frequency assignments among GAA users. As long as you’re not stepping on >> an incumbent or a PAL protection area, I think they’ll give you a grant for >> whatever frequency you want. >> >> >> PAL holders will probably need to work this out though. >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:08 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >> >> >> Is current SAS supporting SFG? if not, how will one reuse frequency now? >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 7:19 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote: >> >> There are several variants: >> >> >> Single Frequency Groups (SFG) are multiple CBSD’s that all operate on the >> same frequency. If you are going WTF - of course the base station and >> the CPE’s are all a single frequency group - keep in mind that in the >> mobile world the handsets are not CBSD’s. For our purposes each BS and >> all of it’s CPE’s have to be in a single frequency group. This is also for >> frequency reuse - if you use channels A, B, C on your network and reuse >> them in some type of pattern you would designate all of the A’s in one SFG, >> B’s in another, etc. If a SFG has to change channels they all have to >> change together. >> >> >> Coexistence groups would be systems where timing parameters match. >> Think multiple operators running LTE or a proprietary protocol on a common >> UL:DL ratio. Not all use cases want to use the same UL:DL ratio. >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:42 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> >> As far as the SAS is concerned, it's all irrelevant. >> >> They were talking about coexistence groups where a group of operators >> could have overlapping assignments because the operators are using some >> mechanism to coexist in the channels assigned. I don't know if those made >> it to the end, nor what form they've taken. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:11:04 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >> >> Not at all. If I am running the same standard as someone else and the >> same split then I can synchronize with them and we aren’t going to >> interfere even if we’re relatively close. If on the other hand we are not >> running the same standards in the same split then we are going to interfere >> with each other even if we are very far away from each other. >> >> >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> The standards and settings are irrelevant. Tx power - loss = receive >> power. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 4:55:27 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Auction results so far >> >> How does the SASI sure there will be no interference? Since you can run >> so many different standards and settings? >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Yep, and anyone not operating in cbrs without SAS gets big dollar >> reminders to stop >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 3:59 PM Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Josh, >> >> >> You will have interference protection through the SAS so that someone >> just can't blindly fire up right on top of your channel right next to you. >> Every AP has to get a grant from SAS before it can transmit. Also if Demand >> says 15 there is no way to tell if that is 15 individual bidders or if 4-5 >> bidders are trying to bid on 4x10mhz channels each. We will know when the >> auction is over more info but while the auction is taking place everything >> is a secret. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 4:09 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >> Well if you do licensed PTP links it seems you don't get any kind of >> interference protection if someone else doesn't play by the rules and they >> don't get any punishment for doing so... >> >> If you think CBRS will give you interference free protection I'd love to >> know you do because I don't feel that's going to be a game changer for >> hitting customers. >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 3:42 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> drinking! They be purchased after the auction? >> >> Divided over 10 years, it's a manageable number for interference free >> spectrum. What do you pay per year in interference related truck rolls, >> tech time and list satisfaction? >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 12:06 PM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> Obviously the last round is public knowledge. After the auction is over, >> are the results of all rounds public information? >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <img style="width: <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >>
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