I have a couple theories about the selling market: 1. There’s never been more cash floating around our industry. It provides options. There is also a good chance that smaller WISPs are about to be over built with government money...another strong inducement to make your best deal.
2. As an industry, we are about 20 years old. If you started the business in your 40s or 50s, you might be easy to retire. If you started it younger, you might be ready to cash out and go do something else. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > > I seem to remember this thread started with a post about buying, but there > seems to be a lot of interest in selling. I wonder why. > > Is it because customers are getting on our nerves? I know they’re getting on > mine. Everyone is stuck in their house doing everything on the Internet and > whining about it and waiting until the last minute and then needing stuff > right now this minute because we’re > streaming/gaming/Zooming/eLearning/teleworking here. Plus doing construction > on our house and the contractors are here right now taking your dish off the > roof or putting siding nails through your cable. Or they’re buying/selling > houses because interest rates are like zero or to move away from the virus or > to a different school district. > > > From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 10:05 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s > > I know it *CAN* be anything. > > I'm asking what it is for successful, arms-length, nothing special > transactions. I do expect there to be a range. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:28:58 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s > > That can be anything. There is no connection between revenue and earnings. > You can have $2M in revenue but -$5M in income if you burned cash to > generate sales. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 22, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > > Right, but what I'm asking is that if 5x EDIBTA = Y, then what was Y / annual > revenue? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:01:44 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s > > Whatever 5x your earnings are. Not sales or revenue or gross profit but > bottom line earnings on your income statement/ pl. Your taxable income. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 22, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > > What does the revenue multiplier end up being, though? > > 5x EBIDTA / revenue gets you what, in purchases that have been made? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 8:20:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s > > 5 x ebidta > Revenue multiples are of no value. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 21, 2020, at 5:30 PM, cjwstudios <cjwstud...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 1x annual revenue and hope the customers stay on > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:43 PM Matt Hoppes > <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > This is the issue I’ve always had when I’ve looked at buying an ISP. It > always seems like a lot more money I would have to put out to buy then I > could just build and take the customers if something is wrong with the > current network. > > > > > On Aug 21, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote: > > > > > > On 8/20/20 8:13 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > >> I think you either buy or sell, isp isnt really a flip thing > > > > > > > > > There is/was someone in my part of the country buying up ISPs and trying to > > package them all together as a flip. 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