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More news of trumpers behaving poorly and trying to influence the election. On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 8:41 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's how you work your way up, but seems theyve moved on to the state > legislatures like dirty leftists > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > >> CNN: Federal judge dismisses Trump campaign Pennsylvania lawsuit. >> >> >> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/21/politics/federal-judge-dismisses-trump-pennsylvania-lawsuit/index.html >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 7:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> You are aware that gridlock was the design specification. If all parties >>> cannot come to an amicable arrangement, nothing changes, as designed, keeps >>> the field level. >>> >>> It had little to do with slavery, much like the civil war. It had to do >>> with the experimental government that's designed to capsize and right >>> itself eventually. The extremes we see now were by design, brought to >>> equilibrium. Games suffer consequence. One president wants to push agenda >>> so they dont appoint judges and rock the boat, expecting the agenda to push >>> their party into another term. The agenda was too extreme and the party >>> loses so the next party appoints those judges and their own. Tips the boat >>> the other way. The next extremist comes along to push an agenda but cant >>> get a majority, so the minority has the courts to overturn that extreme >>> agenda. So on and so forth. >>> Thank god the founders were smart enough to know democracy leads to >>> different flavors of enslavement and didnt choose democracy. >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020, 5:17 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> An opinion I've seen popping up here and there is that gridlock is the >>>> natural state of the US government. The president can veto the >>>> legislature, the senate can override the president. The president can >>>> issue orders to executive branch agencies, but only within the framework >>>> created by the legislature. The court can override everybody, but the >>>> court is appointed by the president, but only if the senate lets him. >>>> That's without getting into procedural crap like the filibuster. >>>> >>>> You've got a lot of ways to shut something down, so unless you have >>>> broad consensus on something it won't happen. It's a side effect of >>>> compromises originally made to create a stalemate between slave holding >>>> states and non-slave holding states. I don't think Trump accomplished any >>>> big permanent wins. EO's and Court appointments, sure. I expect Biden to >>>> also not accomplish much, and I expect stalemate to continue, except maybe >>>> on specific issues that have broad appeal. Is this actually a problem, or >>>> is it a useful feature? That's a serious question. I'm not 100% sure on >>>> this. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/20/2020 2:10 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>> >>>> Something that's become painfully obvious to me is that there are a >>>> huge number of "norms" in the way that our government works, or pretends to >>>> work. When someone steps outside of the "norms" and starts doing what's not >>>> explicitly spelled out, a bunch of observers comment about how that's not >>>> normal. Maybe we should codify what we think are norms unless we somehow >>>> think it's going to make things worse? >>>> >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 11/20/2020 11:01 AM, Chuck Macenski wrote: >>>> >>>> I believe that many (most?) of them do care. I think they are caught in >>>> a system where they are forced to play their tribal roles or risk having no >>>> impact. I think that the influence of money in the political system is one >>>> of the factors that has led us here. >>>> >>>> That said, some of them have more integrity than others, some are >>>> driven by the need to amass power (I consider that a character flaw), and >>>> many (most?) voters are driven by emotion. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 12:41 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Darin, >>>>> >>>>> And yet here we sit harassing each other while they sit up there in >>>>> Washington collecting their nice large paychecks, pocketing some lobbying >>>>> money, having the best healthcare one can get, patting each other on the >>>>> back and not really doing anything productive. >>>>> >>>>> We are at the point where people from either side are willing to >>>>> destroy their lives over their party affiliation. Do you really think any >>>>> of them up there give a shit about us? Things will never get fixed. >>>>> Because if they fix it, there will be nothing to rile up the sheep. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is equivalent to the obnoxious guy at the sports bar rooting for >>>>> "his" team. When they win he'll be yelling in your face "WE, did it". >>>>> "WE", unless you ordering your 10th beer and and downing your 20th >>>>> chicken >>>>> wing had a bearing on the game, "YOU" had nothing to do with it. >>>>> >>>>> These aren't OUR parties anymore. They no longer represent the >>>>> people. As long as they keep the people arguing among themselves, we >>>>> won't >>>>> notice them accomplishing nothing. >>>>> >>>>> Until we re-align the US and THEM from RED and BLUE back to the people >>>>> and OUR representatives we are doomed to relive this every two years. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>> >>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>> >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>>> Friday, November 20, 2020, 12:46:23 PM, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Every politician SHOULD break from their party if they feel a >>>>> different way about an issue. I don't believe in "falling in line" for >>>>> everything. >>>>> >>>>> Good people think for themselves, not what their party's platform is. >>>>> >>>>> I'm fiscally a Republican but for human rights and equality, I'm a >>>>> Democrat. >>>>> >>>>> Republicans have a very hard time showing they care about anyone other >>>>> than white men. They need to stop treating women, blacks, gays, trans, >>>>> different people as anything less than. And for gosh sake, stop trying to >>>>> bring religion into Government. Have they not heard of separation of >>>>> church >>>>> and state?!?! Abortion should not be a federal government issue. >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:32 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Mitt Romney is apparently willing to split from his party when he >>>>> feels strongly about something. Whether that means he's a "RINO" or it >>>>> means he has personal integrity seems to be a matter of opinion. I'm >>>>> trying to think of a Democratic legislator who would break with party >>>>> lines >>>>> to agree with a Republican position on something.....coming up blank. Is >>>>> Romney a Unicorn in that respect? >>>>> >>>>> On 11/20/2020 12:22 PM, Robert wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It would have been a really tough choice between Mitt and Biden for >>>>> me. Probably would have crossed to Mitt. Not that I am necessarily a >>>>> democrat but I really don't like what the republican congress has become >>>>> besides Mitt. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/20/20 9:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't think anyone really knows for sure what he's worth, and that's >>>>> part of how it's so easy to build different narratives about it. >>>>> He seems to have received around $400 million from his parents. About >>>>> a million from a trust fund and the rest from a variety of revenue streams >>>>> they set up for him. If he's worth $2.5 billion today, that would imply >>>>> something like 5% annual growth. That's not an epic failure, but it's >>>>> pretty modest. Except guesses about his net worth range from $700mil to >>>>> $7billion, and even he is inconsistent in what he says about it. He's >>>>> somewhere from terrible, to ok, to really good and everyone gets to fill >>>>> in >>>>> the blanks with their own version. >>>>> I don't hate him, but I am embarrassed of him. Every time I hear him >>>>> speak, something unbelievable comes out. His behavior before and during >>>>> his presidency demonstrates deep moral failings. His messaging seems to >>>>> be >>>>> about symbolic emotional cues without any regard to factuality (aka >>>>> bullshitting). I don't blame anybody for voting for him in 2016. When it >>>>> was Hillary Clinton against an unknown outsider, it's easy to say "let's >>>>> give this outsider a shot." I think at this point he's made it very clear >>>>> that he doesn't know what to do with his office. >>>>> I don't think Biden was anybody's first choice either, but if it comes >>>>> to the lesser of evils then Biden seems the lesser. >>>>> -Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/20/2020 10:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Robert, >>>>> >>>>> You guys are right. He is the Jacques Clouseau of the business >>>>> world. Just fumbling and bumbling his way for the past 40 years. No one >>>>> has caught on to his secret. He is just an idiot that luckily is able to >>>>> get bigger idiots to back him. He has been cheating the IRS for years and >>>>> years. Luckily for the IRS, his tax returns will be released and all the >>>>> armchair accounts will be able to help the IRS do a proper audit. >>>>> >>>>> I understand your pure hatred of him. He is not the most likable >>>>> person. But, please he is a business man. We have no idea what his books >>>>> look like or where his loans are. He has undertaken some risky investments >>>>> and deals over the years. Some work, some don't, it is business. I guess >>>>> successful is a relative term. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>> >>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>> >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>>> Friday, November 20, 2020, 10:00:21 AM, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Which would be the perfect example of the propaganda that has propped >>>>> him up for the last 40 years. Well now the chickens will come home to >>>>> roost. He has a billion dollars of loans to renegotiate ( gee guess why >>>>> he >>>>> wants to be in charge of the party, access to truckloads of cash ) and the >>>>> IRS to convince that his write offs were real now that they are going to >>>>> go >>>>> under public review.. Could be interesting... >>>>> >>>>> On 11/20/20 6:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference >>>>> Trump was never a successful businessman, that is a myth. Mitt yes, >>>>> Donald no. >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 20, 2020 8:03 AM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference >>>>> >>>>> Darin, >>>>> >>>>> Trump was not presidential material, that is a fact. He is a >>>>> businessman not a politician. He had no idea on how government worked. He >>>>> was going in to the job with an outsiders view of politics. He crashed >>>>> the >>>>> Washington wedding and they didn't like it. He brought his friends and >>>>> family. The man didn't stand a chance. The left started calling for >>>>> impeachment before he was inaugurated. Hell some of them even made a big >>>>> stink that they weren't even going to show for his inauguration being he >>>>> was illegitimate. >>>>> >>>>> Frankly the right was no help at the beginning either, they didn't >>>>> support him. He surrounded himself with a bunch of outsiders that didn't >>>>> know the unwritten rules of Washington. >>>>> >>>>> The media does lean left. They were embarrassed, they told us for >>>>> months Hillary was going to be the next President. They hate Trump and >>>>> Trump hates them. Once the media figured out how to push his buttons, it >>>>> was just a big game for them. >>>>> >>>>> He was a lone wolf with no support at all. Seemed like everyone was >>>>> against him, except for the people that voted for him. >>>>> >>>>> Let's assume he was the worst president ever, one soul away from being >>>>> the devil himself. Seems like we survived. Almost 75M people voted to >>>>> keep him in office. You can dismiss that as cult or a bunch of uneducated >>>>> rednecks, but is is still 75M people. Contrary to popular belief, he did >>>>> do some good things. HBC got multi-year funding. He didn't start any new >>>>> wars. >>>>> >>>>> I was listening to a Obama doing an interview yesterday. He was >>>>> talking about the hard time he had in office with the birther stuff. He >>>>> made a very interesting comment. He said that some people didn't know >>>>> him. If they only listened to FOX news, they only knew a caricature of >>>>> him. The exact same thing can be said about Trump. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>> >>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>> >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>>> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 11:58:10 PM, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The only reason the media ripped on trump is because he was a disgrace >>>>> to the high office of President. He made a joke of our country. He >>>>> bullied, >>>>> tweeted, and lied for his entire term. >>>>> >>>>> If a Democrat acted the same way trump did, I would fully expect all >>>>> news to rip on them too. Trump further divided our country, shit on our >>>>> allies, and shared hateful conspiracy theories. >>>>> >>>>> He craves attention, refuses to lose, and any time he tried to do >>>>> something good he would ruin it with some tweet. He fired more staff than >>>>> any other president in history. He's paranoid, rude, and holds grudges. >>>>> >>>>> He shows no empathy for anyone. He doesn't show compassion. He doesn't >>>>> show love. He doesn't forgive. He doesn't forget. He doesn't lead. >>>>> >>>>> He never talks about his family. He expects loyalty and for people to >>>>> bend the knee. >>>>> >>>>> I've never been more embarrassed for our country when he was elected. >>>>> We needed a politician in office, not a celebrity. He rocked the boat but >>>>> not in a good way. >>>>> >>>>> Give me a stable republican and I may vote for them if they care about >>>>> every American, not just their base. >>>>> >>>>> Sidenote: I was grocery shopping tonight and someone was wearing a >>>>> shirt that said: Trump 2020. FUCK YOUR FEELINGS >>>>> >>>>> Real classy trump supporter. Wearing a shirt like that at our local >>>>> Hyvee with kids and families shopping. I'm embarrassed people think it's >>>>> ok >>>>> to wear things like that. 1st amendment allows them to but it's still >>>>> disrespectful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 10:20 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It doesn't matter who won, the outcome is the same. All of us should >>>>> have been intelligent enough to predict this. The only way this would >>>>> have >>>>> ended well for the country would have been a landslide for Biden. Not >>>>> saying Biden is good for the country, but it was the only chance we may >>>>> have had not to deal with this bullshit. >>>>> >>>>> If Trump won in a landslide, mainstream media would just continue with >>>>> the non-stop bashing for another four years. He would have been declared >>>>> an illegitimate president again. The story would be the same as last time >>>>> "look at the polls, no way he could have won, must of cheated". We would >>>>> be watching cities burn right now. >>>>> >>>>> If roles were reversed and Trump had the slim lead, the Biden camp >>>>> would be doing the same thing the Trump camp is doing now. Do you really >>>>> think Biden would have conceded. The only difference, is the mainstream >>>>> media would have been digging deep to find each and every "fake" vote for >>>>> Trump. They would be working overtime. Every story would be assumed true >>>>> and not debated. No winner would be declared yet. >>>>> >>>>> When the counting is done, Trump will end up with almost 75M votes. >>>>> That is more that 10M more than Hillary got in 2016. About 12M more >>>>> people >>>>> voted for Trump this time around. More minorities voted for Trump this >>>>> time around. >>>>> >>>>> Did you really think Trump's base would just accept the losing >>>>> outcome? Did you really think Biden's base would have accepted a losing >>>>> outcome? On the plus side the scales tipped to the left, so at least we >>>>> aren't seeing the riots. >>>>> >>>>> This election will never be accepted by half the country, just like >>>>> the last election was never accepted by half the country. Only difference >>>>> is at least on the nightly news I won't have to listen to 100% Trump >>>>> bashing day in and day out trying to scare me straight. It was getting >>>>> depressing. Everything was bad news. I swear if Trump found the cure for >>>>> cancer, it would have been spun as bad news. >>>>> >>>>> Come February, everything will be reported as unicorns and rainbows. >>>>> Life in the old USA will be great. There will be no issues. Fox News >>>>> will >>>>> move right center, I don't think they will be as hard on Biden as CNN was >>>>> on Trump. Social media will be where all the Trump supports go. But they >>>>> will be banned form the main sites and live on the fringe. >>>>> >>>>> The left has the ball. All these problems that have been drilled into >>>>> our heads for the past 4 years are now their issue to fix. They have 2 >>>>> years to convince us they can do a better job. Both the house and senate >>>>> majorities are so thin, either one can flip in two years. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, it really doesn't matter. Our daily lives will not change >>>>> that much. Sure we'll probably have to deal with Net Neutrality again. >>>>> Maybe some type of national tax on Internet service is in the future. >>>>> Maybe another healthcare shake up. Maybe there will be some half-assed >>>>> legislation on gun control or immigration, but no real fix. The precedent >>>>> was set in the last 4 years, every executive action will be taken to >>>>> court. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But we'll adapt and continue moving on. We always do. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>> >>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>> >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>>> Thursday, November 19, 2020, 10:23:07 PM, you wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Steve, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/wayne-circuit-judge-dismisses-lawsuit-against-city-of-detroit-alleging-election-fraud >>>>> >>>>> Please read this article and the judge's 13 page ruling on what you >>>>> claim is fraud. You and trump have been shot down again. >>>>> >>>>> Judge's are denying these suits left and right, some of them getting >>>>> quite heated in their opinions suggesting they shouldn't even be wasting >>>>> their breath on these baseless claims. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 9:01 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> not going to play your game. I watched the mutt put up the cardboard >>>>> and stand there like a gimp. everyone watched when they tried to serve the >>>>> judges order and were still denied access, facts are simply that, facts. >>>>> >>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/media/detroit-windows-covered-ballots-vote-center/index.html >>>>> except the "protesters" were poll watcher, your team cant even lie well >>>>> >>>>> https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2020/11/05/philadelphia-court-decision-poll-watchers-now-allowed-within-6-feet-of-ballot-counting-at-pennsylvania-convention-center/ >>>>> your kind will say that binoculars are good enough. odd that judges >>>>> ruled on something that didnt happen, are you saying the judges lied? >>>>> >>>>> just because you dont want it to be true doesnt make something >>>>> "debunked". Just admit there were issues, present solutions. 4 years spent >>>>> pushing a russian narrative that was literally debunked and always offered >>>>> without evidence (hint, there was none). pick a single narrative and run >>>>> with said narrative, across the board. much like the elder cruelty of >>>>> putting rudy and joe in the spotlight >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:21 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Steve, >>>>> >>>>> Cite your sources that poll watchers weren't allowed to observe. You >>>>> won't be able to because in every case so far, there have been poll >>>>> watchers inside watching the count in every precinct. >>>>> >>>>> You only saw some angry trump supporters standing outside in Detroit >>>>> trying to get in when there were already 200+ republic poll watchers >>>>> already inside. They put up cardboard because the people outside were >>>>> being >>>>> distracting. >>>>> >>>>> Every court filing that has been filed so far has proven that poll >>>>> watchers were not kept out. Only "extras" that showed up were blocked >>>>> because you don't need any more inside a building than already existed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020, 8:12 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh sure. We are now using some schmoe in a stocking cap for "news"? >>>>> >>>>> Part of the reason we are in the situation we are in is that we pay >>>>> more attention to clowns than they deserve. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> bp >>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 4:21 PM justsumname <unixday...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBdfxJdlvcE >>>>> >>>>> It is getting interesting, and this election thing is still far from >>>>> over. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 2:45 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> lol, they just elected a guy president with the same cruelty, so thats >>>>> not really much of a thing anymore >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 1:43 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It’s cruel of people to keep putting Rudy in the public eye when >>>>> clearly he’s not all there anymore, I don’t know if it’s dementia or what, >>>>> but he needs to be sitting on a porch somewhere playing checkers, not >>>>> making a fool of himself for the world to see. Of course he’s always been >>>>> a little off, look at his marriage history. I assume since he was a >>>>> lawyer >>>>> and mayor he wasn’t always like this. Or maybe he was. Again, the >>>>> marriage history. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:46 PM >>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference >>>>> >>>>> I dont know what happened to that guy. hopefully when this is said and >>>>> done we go the way of canada on electronic voting. then we put cameras >>>>> >>>> -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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