My pet peeve is those flashing bicycle LED headlights that are pointed in your 
face and brighter than a car.  You can’t even see the road or tell they are a 
bicycle until you flash your high beams and get past them.


From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Carl Peterson 
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2020 at 1:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

My pet peeve is people who replace standard headlight bulbs with LED bulbs but 
leave the standard reflectors.  It really should be treated like the reckless 
endangerment it is and result in jail time.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:53 AM Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
It was part of a long list of tests that vendors had to actually perform before 
they could sell them equipment.  Temperature, humidity, vibration, earthquake, 
etc.  I seem to remember there was a UPS test where the packaged equipment had 
to survive a drop from 6 feet on each side and corner.

But where exactly the 50 feet came from, I don’t know.  Maybe that’s the 
average distance from a car window to a repeater housing in the ROW.

I find it interesting that I rarely see pockmarked stop signs on rural roads 
anymore.  Maybe it’s more fun now to play COD on the Playstation.


From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

thats oddly specific

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 10:35 AM Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
There’s a reason Bell System specs for outdoor equipment had a requirement to 
withstand a blast from a 12 gauge shotgun at 50 feet.


From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

im suspecting people with rifles is whats causing the wind turbine blades 
around here to break off. rural customers are a different type

On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 9:53 AM Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Maybe it’s an FAA recommendation not a regulation.

I can also say we’re a tenant on a commercial tower that must have had a 
problem with the photocell because for several months it was stuck in white 
strobe mode.  We had several neighbors call us to complain about it as a 
nuisance, and we had to tell them we’d pass the information along to the tower 
owner but we did not control the lighting system.  If it was my tower, I 
wouldn’t want people with rifles to take things into their own hands.


From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

I had to refile about 200 towers with the FAA and FCC for Sprint back in the 
90's. As far as I know, there is no requirement for towers with white strobes 
to change to red at night. They can if they want to, but there is no regulation 
requiring it. That being said, I agree it is difficult to see much other than 
the emergency lights when approaching them at night.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:50 PM Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Maybe tell them how tower lights are white strobes during the day but are 
required to change to lower intensity red at night.

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

Yup. Often approaching an accident all I can see are the cop car lights. Can’t 
see the cop directing traffic or literally anything going on.

Extremely unsafe.

The problem is they have no intensity setting. It’s day mode all the time!!!!

On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:24 PM, Steve Jones 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
crazy dangerous. The worst are the snowplows. it used to be in bad snowstorms 
was a godsend to get behind a plow where you could follow their lights. now you 
will die because youre blinded if youre within a mile of it. There is no 
additional "safety" for emergency services ove the prior existing lights that 
actually had science behind the color, cadence and brightness,

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:13 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
<j...@brazoswifi.com<mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:
I agree.
I brought this up at a fire department meeting and they acted as if I had 
proposed removing all lights.

I was just pointing out that at some point, it becomes dangerous to bystanders.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-----Original Message-----
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 6:06 PM
To: Animal Farm <af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Emergency Vehicle LEDs

Am I the only one who thinks that the new LED's that all the emergency vehicles 
have now are dangerous?  I was about 1/2 mile behind an ambulance and the 
flashing LED's were so bright in front of me that I could barely make out the 
traffic light I was stopped at.  And why does the ambulance need to have 
approximately 200,000 LED Fixtures on it?  I get it, I see you, I can't not see 
you, now I can't see anything else.
They saw an open piece of sheet metal and were like, 'We could put another 
strobe there'  It's even worse when there are multiple vehicles together at an 
accident scene.  I understand having them bright during the day, but they are 
just blinding at night.  It's like they need to have a day/night mode. Who do I 
write a strongly worded letter to expressing my displeasure?

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