Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't really out to get you.

-----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 1:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

"You are only paranoid if they aren't after you"

On 12/28/2020 10:56 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Hell, 10 of every 9 people I meet have some kind of psychosis. If there are 200 people on this list, I bet over 220 of them have psychosis. I can count me in that.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 12/28/2020 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

10 out of 153 people developed psychosis after having covid.....

I wonder how many out of 153 covid-free people developed a mental illness in 2020.


On 12/28/2020 1:44 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Chuck postulated he had mental illness. Maybe he had Covid induced psychosis:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/small-number-of-covid-patients-develop-severe-psychotic-symptoms/ar-BB1cigNp

*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 12:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done. Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath that they want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half of the country would be police

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    This:


https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/

    Sounds like a UK tabloid.  Caveat emptor.

    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
    *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

    Which media?

    bp

    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

        If you believe the media report:

        Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on
        Christmas Eve to spend a few weeks in the woods with his
        dogs,” the report said.

        The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously
        had a relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report.

        Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was
        signing over a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of
        something out of the ordinary about the basement.

        “The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter
        concluded, according to the outlet. “The basement is not
        normal, take a look. Woof woof Julio.”

        So what you find unusual is the plywood?  Not spending a few
        weeks in the woods with his dogs? Not “woof woof Julio”?

        *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
        *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM
        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
        <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

        I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic

        On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it.
            Does that mean I believe in more aliens than most people
            since I have more boats in more garages. Or is it only
            the people that store the boats in those spaces that
            believe in aliens?

            On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard
            <ja...@litewire.net <mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

                I dunno….  I don’t believe there are any aliens in my
                garage.

                *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Adam
                Moffett
                *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM
                *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                That checks out.

                On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote:

                    You’re saying that people with garages with
                    basements believe in aliens?

                    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
                    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
                    *Ken Hohhof
                    *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM
                    *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
                    <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                    How many people on this list would have to make
the same disclaimer if they gave someone their house?

                    I remember a discussion not too long ago about
                    people whose garages had basements.

                    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
                    *Steve Jones
                    *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM
                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                    <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                    This is getting better and better. Dude
                    supposedly believed in aliens and sent a weird
                    letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic
                    and weird basement. This is the gift that keeps
                    on giving

                    On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof
                    <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

                        Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he
                        may have had a “relationship” with the 29
                        year old woman’s mother.  So you may be close.

                        And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a
year ago that he was making bombs in his RV. And that his RV may have been spotted at the
                        bombing site in the days prior as if he had
                        been scouting the site.

                        *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf
                        Of *Steve Jones
                        *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM
                        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                        <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security

                        He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who
                        didnt know him.

                        This is it guys, they have the evidence

                        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E

                        Except the guy goes from chemtrails to
                        missiles to direct energy weapons.

                        This is gonna get super fun.

                        Deep state psyop

                        Even saw a guy point out  - AN th ON y Q uinn
                        WARN er

                        Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically
                        modified this super soldier silent cell to
                        activate should the deep state try to subvert
                        power from the people.

                        I'm going to feed these people. I may even
                        have to get on 4chan again.

                        On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown
                        via AF <af@af.afmug.com
                        <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

                            I am guessing he gave the house to a
                            daughter.  Maybe she didn’t even know.

                            Sent from my iPhone

                                On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken
                                Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
                                <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

                                

                                Most people have some level of mental
                                illness after 2020.

                                As for the specifics, which clue do
                                you want to hang your hat on? AT&T?
                                Lyrics to “Downtown”? Or deeding his
                                house and his brother’s house to the
                                mystery woman, who deeded the
                                brother’s house back to the mother.

                                *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                                <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On
                                Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM
                                *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
                                Group <af@af.afmug.com
                                <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                                *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com
                                <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>>
                                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center
                                Security

                                So, what was his deal other than
                                mental illness?

                                *From:*Jaime Solorza

                                *Sent:*Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM

                                *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

                                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center
                                Security

                                "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner
                                confirmed by DNA test as Nashville
                                Christmas bomber"

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

                                On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck
                                McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com
                                <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

                                    I have no idea how many monster
                                    generators FB has in Utah. Plus
                                    double redundant feeds from Rocky
                                    Mountain Power.  Its own
                                    substation. Plus it has fiber
                                    from others that I did not put
                                    in.  So who knows how many routes
                                    they have out of town.  And this
                                    is just the first phase of four
                                    for that site.  Even a Oklahoma
                                    sized anfo bomb would not be able
                                    to damage more than about 10% of
                                    the place.

                                    *From:*Robert

                                    *Sent:*Saturday, December 26,
                                    2020 2:24 PM

                                    *To:*af@af.afmug.com
                                    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>

                                    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data center
                                    Security

                                    The first serious "data center" I
                                    got to tour in the 80's was run
                                    by GE and had power on either
                                    side of the racks from separate
                                    _Grids_  one side was Canadian
                                    and the other was the NY grid.
                                    They felt confident that it would
                                    take a CME to take that down and
                                    then inside the shielded building
                                    they had a GE power turbine for
                                    the off grid power.   With a
                                    building full of fuel to power it
                                    for 22 days.. This was way before
                                    the Internet.

                                    On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof
                                    wrote:

                                        I seem to remember that in
                                        Chicago the telephone COs had
                                        redundant power feeds out
                                        opposite sides of the
                                        building to different
                                        substations. (plus battery
                                        and diesel backup)  Fiber
                                        routes probably similar.

                                        *From:*AF
mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On
                                        Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
                                        *Sent:* Saturday, December
                                        26, 2020 11:34 AM
                                        *To:* Matt Hoppes

mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net;
                                        AnimalFarm Microwave Users
                                        Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
                                        *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
                                        <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>
                                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data
                                        center Security

                                        It didn’t.  One single
                                        isolated incident is not a
                                        coordinated attack on 100 or
                                        1000 datacenters. This is the
                                        rude fart of an anarchist.

                                        And you watch how fast the
                                        network heals in Nashville...

                                        *From:*Matt Hoppes

                                        *Sent:*Saturday, December 26,
                                        2020 10:31 AM

                                        *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave
                                        Users Group

                                        *Cc:*ch...@go-mtc.com
                                        <mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com>

                                        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Data
                                        center Security

                                        Except it just did.

                                            On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15
                                            PM, Chuck McCown via AF
                                            <af@af.afmug.com
                                            <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                            

                                            My opinion is this kind
                                            of thinking is total
                                            horseshit.

                                            FB alone has about 100
                                            data centers.

                                            The one I installed all
                                            their long haul routes to
                                            has 5 large cables
                                            running hundreds of miles
                                            radiating from the data
                                            center in all the ordinal
                                            compass points.  Just
                                            knowing which gravel road
                                            out in the country has a
                                            FB cable and then cutting
                                            it, does not take them
                                            down.  You will have to
                                            hit all the routes.

                                            Then the buildings itself
                                            is huge.  Like a square
                                            mile huge.  100% poured
                                            reinforced concrete. Even
                                            if you had a rider truck
                                            full of anfo you would
                                            get shot at while driving
                                            through the perimeter
                                            fence and then you would
                                            just wipe out some
                                            administrative offices
                                            etc. Not even get close
                                            to where the servers are.

                                            And then do that 100
                                            other places at the same
                                            time?

                                            And then you only got FB.
                                            Google, Amazon...

                                            Never gonna happen.

                                            *From:*Matt Hoppes

                                            *Sent:*Saturday, December
                                            26, 2020 9:58 AM

                                            *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave
                                            Users Group

                                            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG]
                                            Data center Security

                                            Yes. Fiber can be
                                            repaired. And then
                                            repaired again. And then
                                            repaired again. It all
                                            adds up down the route.
                                            Plus the data center is
                                            destroyed.

                                            While folks are
                                            concentrating on ground
                                            zero the fiber is being
                                            destroyed at multiple
                                            places down the road.

                                            Then with infrastructure
                                            destroyed a major attack
                                            of some sort takes place.

                                                On Dec 26, 2020, at
                                                11:54 AM, Bill Prince
                                                <part15...@gmail.com

<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
                                                wrote:

                                                

                                                You don't need a
                                                terrorist to take out
                                                the satellites. One
                                                well-timed CME will
                                                do it all.

                                                bp


<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                                                On 12/26/2020 8:27
                                                AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

                                                    At least the
                                                    satellites are
                                                    safe, we have
                                                    Space Force.

                                                    *From:*AF

mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                                                    *On Behalf Of
                                                    *Matt Hoppes
                                                    *Sent:* Saturday,
                                                    December 26, 2020
                                                    10:18 AM
                                                    *To:* AnimalFarm
                                                    Microwave Users
                                                    Group

mailto:af@af.afmug.com
                                                    *Subject:* Re:
                                                    [AFMUG] Data
                                                    center Security

                                                    Never thought
                                                    about that. Yo
                                                    get the data
                                                    center back up.
                                                    But your fibers
                                                    all down. In 5
                                                    places. But you
                                                    only find out
                                                    once you get one
                                                    back together.

                                                    Yeah. We’re safe
                                                    because no one
                                                    has done it. Not
                                                    because we’re safe.

                                                        On Dec 26,
                                                        2020, at
                                                        11:14 AM,
                                                        Darin Steffl

<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com

<mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>>
                                                        wrote:

                                                        

                                                        I've thought
                                                        about how
                                                        vulnerable
                                                        the entire US
                                                        power and
communications grid
                                                        is.

                                                        It would be
                                                        so easy to
                                                        cut multiple
                                                        long haul
                                                        fibers, plant
                                                        bombs at
                                                        large power
                                                        transmission
                                                        lines and
                                                        then sync it
                                                        all together
                                                        to explode,
                                                        cut things at
                                                        the same
                                                        time. It
                                                        could easily
                                                        be done in
                                                        rural areas
                                                        only but
                                                        still affect
                                                        metros since
                                                        they all feed
                                                        from rural
                                                        power and
                                                        fiber lines.

                                                        There's also
                                                        no cameras or
                                                        as many
                                                        people
                                                        monitoring
                                                        things in the
                                                        middle of
                                                        nowhere. If
                                                        this was done
                                                        over multiple
                                                        states and
                                                        targeted
                                                        multiple
                                                        grids and
                                                        fibers, you
                                                        could almost
                                                        knock out 90%
                                                        of all power
                                                        and
communication. This
                                                        would hurt
                                                        more than any
                                                        single
                                                        location attack.

                                                        On Sat, Dec
                                                        26, 2020,
                                                        9:54 AM Matt
                                                        Hoppes

<mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net

<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>>
                                                        wrote:

                                                            I
                                                            hesitated
                                                            on where
                                                            to post
                                                            this. Not
                                                            that I
                                                            think I’m
                                                            giving
                                                            anyone
                                                            any ideas
                                                            - but still.

                                                            What
                                                            happened
                                                            in
                                                            Nashville
                                                            has
                                                            actually
                                                            been a
                                                            concern
                                                            of mine
                                                            for some
                                                            time.

                                                            Look at
                                                            9/11.
                                                            Huge loss
                                                            of life
                                                            yes. But
                                                            that took
                                                            a lot of
                                                            effort
                                                            and
                                                            planning
                                                            and
                                                            getting
                                                            through
                                                            security
                                                            and
                                                            learning
                                                            to
                                                            basically
                                                            fly a
                                                            massive
                                                            tin
                                                            projectile.

                                                            How much
                                                            more
                                                            damage
                                                            could a
                                                            small
                                                            group do
                                                            with 5 or
                                                            6 vans
                                                            loaded
                                                            with
explosives in
                                                            a
                                                            coordinated
                                                            attack on
                                                            say: NYC,
                                                            401N
                                                            Broad,
                                                            Ashburn,
                                                            St Louis,
                                                            Chicago
and San Jose?

                                                            Throw in
                                                            a few
                                                            major CO
                                                            switching
                                                            offices
                                                            in some
                                                            major towns.

                                                            You’ve
                                                            caused
                                                            mass
                                                            disaster.
                                                            Minimal
                                                            planning.
                                                            And now
                                                            with 911
                                                            services
                                                            out and
                                                            data
                                                            crippled
                                                            you could
                                                            do
                                                            something
                                                            else even
                                                            more major.
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