i assume i will be turned away at airports When I was really young I sent a letter that could maybe be taken as a threat to president clinton, had I done that today, oh boy.
I can understand the apprehension people have with "5g". I have apprehension with that much energy at ground level everywhere. sure it is absorbed by the air and skin, but every 800 feet is a bit much. like a pin prick, one doesnt hurt you but by the 500th one you may have an issue. I think the biggest issue is with carbon footprint and energy consumption. How much plastic housing and PCB waste is there going to be. I wonder if some geek has sat down and calculated out the aggregate energy consumption if the entirety were deployed. Even if its "green" energy like solar/wind/etc, there is alot of heat going to be dissipated. That leads me to another curiosity, if solar, is there even an environmental impact from the heat generated by the electronics? The energy would have been there regardless. My concerns arent elevated to the level of blowing up buildings (there are so many other valid reasons to do that) But its enough to do random weird stuff like give people things they didnt ask for with cryptic messages. On that note, I wonder if this broad he gave those houses to is on the hook for the tax liability, they say the two homes were worth around 400k. Maybe he didnt like her mom at all and knows that shes on the hook for the current market value tax at time of the transfer and now the houses are tainted to the point she may have to sell them for less than the tax burden. Thats the type of spite I can get behind, On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 2:21 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: > BTW, Steve, you still on the watch list...? [image: Winking smile] > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:06 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security > > I get so fed up with these after the fact "he was reported". Most of these > cases there is nothing found or there was nothing they could have done. > Morons say "well he should have been put on a watchlist" in the same breath > that they want to defund the police and not let anyone's rights be stepped > on. If "authorities" "kept an eye on" every person who is "reported" half > of the country would be police > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:58 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> This: >> >> >> https://www.the-sun.com/news/2036056/nashville-bomb-anthony-quinn-warner-police-warned-rv/ >> >> >> >> Sounds like a UK tabloid. Caveat emptor. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 11:22 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> Which media? >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 12/28/2020 9:12 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> If you believe the media report: >> >> >> >> Warner wrote in the letter that he “intended to travel on Christmas Eve >> to spend a few weeks in the woods with his dogs,” the report said. >> >> The tech expert is believed by authorities to have previously had a >> relationship with Swing’s mother, according to the report. >> >> Warner reportedly went on to write to Swing, 29, that he was signing over >> a home to her — but gave her a vague warning of something out of the >> ordinary about the basement. >> >> “The attic has plywood and lighting, take a look,” the letter concluded, >> according to the outlet. “The basement is not normal, take a look. Woof >> woof Julio.” >> >> So what you find unusual is the plywood? Not spending a few weeks in the >> woods with his dogs? Not “woof woof Julio”? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:47 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> I think it all depends on how much plywood you have in the attic >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 10:40 AM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I own a storage facility with a bunch of boats in it. Does that mean I >> believe in more aliens than most people since I have more boats in more >> garages. Or is it only the people that store the boats in those spaces that >> believe in aliens? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:27 AM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote: >> >> I dunno…. I don’t believe there are any aliens in my garage. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 10:23 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> That checks out. >> >> On 12/28/2020 11:20 AM, James Howard wrote: >> >> You’re saying that people with garages with basements believe in aliens? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Monday, December 28, 2020 8:07 AM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> How many people on this list would have to make the same disclaimer if >> they gave someone their house? >> >> >> >> I remember a discussion not too long ago about people whose garages had >> basements. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 11:14 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> This is getting better and better. Dude supposedly believed in aliens and >> sent a weird letter to the 29 yo broad about his plywood attic and weird >> basement. This is the gift that keeps on giving >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 7:01 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> Well, if you want to believe DailyMail, he may have had a “relationship” >> with the 29 year old woman’s mother. So you may be close. >> >> >> >> And a neighbor may have reported to the FBI a year ago that he was making >> bombs in his RV. And that his RV may have been spotted at the bombing site >> in the days prior as if he had been scouting the site. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:51 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> He supposedly gave 2 houses to 2 women who didnt know him. >> >> This is it guys, they have the evidence >> >> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iMhDySGyI9E >> >> Except the guy goes from chemtrails to missiles to direct energy weapons. >> >> This is gonna get super fun. >> >> Deep state psyop >> >> Even saw a guy point out - AN th ON y Q uinn WARN er >> >> Dudes, Q knows. 63 years ago Q genetically modified this super soldier >> silent cell to activate should the deep state try to subvert power from the >> people. >> >> >> >> I'm going to feed these people. I may even have to get on 4chan again. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 6:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >> I am guessing he gave the house to a daughter. Maybe she didn’t even >> know. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Dec 27, 2020, at 5:31 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Most people have some level of mental illness after 2020. >> >> >> >> As for the specifics, which clue do you want to hang your hat on? AT&T? >> Lyrics to “Downtown”? Or deeding his house and his brother’s house to the >> mystery woman, who deeded the brother’s house back to the mother. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 6:11 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> So, what was his deal other than mental illness? >> >> >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 27, 2020 4:13 PM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> "Google News - Anthony Quinn Warner confirmed by DNA test as Nashville >> Christmas bomber" >> https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEHUCEHOSLLivFnb4b9F354UqGAgEKg8IACoHCAowhK-LAjD4ySww69W0BQ?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 2:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >> I have no idea how many monster generators FB has in Utah. Plus double >> redundant feeds from Rocky Mountain Power. Its own substation. Plus it >> has fiber from others that I did not put in. So who knows how many routes >> they have out of town. And this is just the first phase of four for that >> site. Even a Oklahoma sized anfo bomb would not be able to damage more >> than about 10% of the place. >> >> >> >> *From:* Robert >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 2:24 PM >> >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> The first serious "data center" I got to tour in the 80's was run by GE >> and had power on either side of the racks from separate _Grids_ one side >> was Canadian and the other was the NY grid. They felt confident that it >> would take a CME to take that down and then inside the shielded building >> they had a GE power turbine for the off grid power. With a building full >> of fuel to power it for 22 days.. This was way before the Internet. >> >> On 12/26/20 9:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> I seem to remember that in Chicago the telephone COs had redundant power >> feeds out opposite sides of the building to different substations. (plus >> battery and diesel backup) Fiber routes probably similar. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> via AF >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 11:34 AM >> *To:* Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net; AnimalFarm >> Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> It didn’t. One single isolated incident is not a coordinated attack on >> 100 or 1000 datacenters. This is the rude fart of an anarchist. >> >> And you watch how fast the network heals in Nashville... >> >> >> >> *From:* Matt Hoppes >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:31 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> Except it just did. >> >> >> >> On Dec 26, 2020, at 12:15 PM, Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> My opinion is this kind of thinking is total horseshit. >> >> >> >> FB alone has about 100 data centers. >> >> >> >> The one I installed all their long haul routes to has 5 large cables >> running hundreds of miles radiating from the data center in all the ordinal >> compass points. Just knowing which gravel road out in the country has a FB >> cable and then cutting it, does not take them down. You will have to hit >> all the routes. >> >> >> >> Then the buildings itself is huge. Like a square mile huge. 100% poured >> reinforced concrete. Even if you had a rider truck full of anfo you would >> get shot at while driving through the perimeter fence and then you would >> just wipe out some administrative offices etc. Not even get close to where >> the servers are. >> >> >> >> And then do that 100 other places at the same time? >> >> And then you only got FB. Google, Amazon... >> >> >> >> Never gonna happen. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Matt Hoppes >> >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 9:58 AM >> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> Yes. Fiber can be repaired. And then repaired again. And then repaired >> again. It all adds up down the route. Plus the data center is destroyed. >> >> >> >> While folks are concentrating on ground zero the fiber is being destroyed >> at multiple places down the road. >> >> >> >> Then with infrastructure destroyed a major attack of some sort takes >> place. >> >> >> >> On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> You don't need a terrorist to take out the satellites. One well-timed CME >> will do it all. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> On 12/26/2020 8:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >> At least the satellites are safe, we have Space Force. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 26, 2020 10:18 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Data center Security >> >> >> >> Never thought about that. Yo get the data center back up. But your fibers >> all down. In 5 places. But you only find out once you get one back >> together. >> >> >> >> Yeah. We’re safe because no one has done it. Not because we’re safe. >> >> >> >> On Dec 26, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I've thought about how vulnerable the entire US power and communications >> grid is. >> >> >> >> It would be so easy to cut multiple long haul fibers, plant bombs at >> large power transmission lines and then sync it all together to explode, >> cut things at the same time. It could easily be done in rural areas only >> but still affect metros since they all feed from rural power and fiber >> lines. >> >> >> >> There's also no cameras or as many people monitoring things in the middle >> of nowhere. If this was done over multiple states and targeted multiple >> grids and fibers, you could almost knock out 90% of all power and >> communication. This would hurt more than any single location attack. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 26, 2020, 9:54 AM Matt Hoppes < >> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> >> I hesitated on where to post this. Not that I think I’m giving anyone any >> ideas - but still. >> >> What happened in Nashville has actually been a concern of mine for some >> time. >> >> Look at 9/11. Huge loss of life yes. But that took a lot of effort and >> planning and getting through security and learning to basically fly a >> massive tin projectile. >> >> How much more damage could a small group do with 5 or 6 vans loaded with >> explosives in a coordinated attack on say: NYC, 401N Broad, Ashburn, St >> Louis, Chicago and San Jose? >> >> Throw in a few major CO switching offices in some major towns. >> >> You’ve caused mass disaster. Minimal planning. 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