Even propane will get it hot enough.  Propane is nice because it will not get 
it hot enough to burn.  You don’t want it turning yellow.  
Red to Orange is ideal.  One way to test to see if you got it hot enough is to 
use a magnet.  If it is hot enough a magnet will not attract it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 12:39 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Drill Bits

Interesting tip.

Will a torch with MAP gas get it that hot, or do you need acetylene?


On 8/10/2021 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  If someone gets a bit too hot and it loses its hardness, you can heat it up 
to cherry red, hold for a minute and then dunk in motor oil.  Good trick for 
old chisels too.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:39 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Drill Bits

  i quit caring about installers having good bits the billionth time i told 
them that you dont use them on rock, and if you are using rock with the right 
bit or not you need a hammer drill, and no, your impact isnt a hammer drill, 
and your long bit goes back in the tube, not on a pile of gear on the floor. F 
those tower monkeys, let them get their own bits

  On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 10:47 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

    Aluminum can be worked with wood working tools, no problem.  I use wood 
    routers, chop saws etc on aluminum all the time.
    One tip I learned after ruining carpets in double wides.  Put the drill in 
    reverse when drilling through carpet.

    -----Original Message----- 
    From: Adam Moffett
    Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:32 AM
    To: af@af.afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Installer Drill Bits

    When I did installs every day I would use the same 5/16" drill bit for
    6-12 months.  I know I could have sharpened them, but it was easier to
    just get another one at Lowes.

    IMO drill slower so it doesn't get too hot.  When you're going through
    metal set the drill on the lowest speed and use moderate pressure.  You
    want to see little flakes coming off the metal rather than dust.  If the
    metal is thick then put some oil on the bit to conduct heat away.  WD-40
    will work in a pinch, or a little can of 3-in-1 oil with the dropper
    tip.  Even on wood, don't go full speed unless it's a short hole.  When
    the wood is real chewy you might have to back out and in to clear debris
    and let the tip rest.  If you're getting smoke you're trashing that
    bit.  Aluminum siding is so thin I can't believe that's what ruins your
    bits.


    On 8/9/2021 6:02 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
    > We've been getting the installer drill bits at the local big box store. 
    > The 1/4"x18" bit with the hole in the flute to hook the wire on and pull 
    > back.  They are cheap, and have the lifespan to show. Drill a couple 
    > aluminum siding houses and it's time for a new one. I'm looking to get 
    > them higher quality ones.  They seem hard to locate at other 
distributors. 
    > Am I calling them the wrong thing? I was searching for either 'bell 
hanger 
    > bit' or 'installer bit'  I found some on Amazon, but they are probably 
    > about the same quality as the bigbox ones.
    >
    > I found one at Grainer that is backordered several weeks, and I haven't 
    > found one at McMaster yet.  Am I calling them the wrong thing?
    >

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