I wonder if they did a "commit confirmed 30”? If not, would that have avoided 
the whole thing?


> On Oct 5, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
> 
> "an engineer put in a config change on a BGP router that propagated to the 
> other BGP routers and cut off access"  
> 
> Sounds like something I would do which is why I generally insist on having a 
> remote tech physically in the building with a console cable if I don't have 
> OOB console access when changing BGP on my edge.  
> 
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:34 AM Robert <i...@avantwireless.com 
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
> FB has posted that an engineer put in a config change on a BGP router that 
> propagated to the other BGP routers and cut off access.  Sounds like it took 
> a while to track down the config change.  I do know someone who is intimate 
> with that group but he's not talking...   Drinking, but not talking...
> 
> On 10/5/21 9:17 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> I see it differently. In the beginning cloudflare thought something was 
>> wrong with their systems. It doesn't explain what happened inside facebook, 
>> probably because only facebook knows what went wrong. That's not 
>> cloudflare's problem. We may never know what happened at facebook probably 
>> because it's very embarrassing to facebook.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> On 10/5/2021 9:01 AM, Robert wrote:
>>> I really don't like that cloudflare posted this, as it doesn't do anything 
>>> to tell why.  It's not a root cause, it's an effect and cloudflare looks 
>>> like they are just trying to say how smart they are.
>>> 
>>> On 10/5/21 8:40 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> https://blog.cloudflare.com/october-2021-facebook-outage/ 
>>>> <https://blog.cloudflare.com/october-2021-facebook-outage/>
>>>> 
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> On 10/5/2021 7:39 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>>> Sign him up for a SNAP card.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2021, at 8:25 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Heard the Zuch got around $6 or $7 billion trimmed from his net worth 
>>>>>> yesterday. Now he's only worth around $121 billion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>> On 10/5/2021 6:52 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I am very curious what it was that took 6 hours to figure out or undo.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> …..but I wouldn’t judge too harshly.  When any contraption gets big and 
>>>>>>> complex it’s easy to overlook one seemingly small thing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Remember this XKCD?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <image001.png>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On 
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Steve Jones
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2021 6:51 PM
>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> 
>>>>>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> so it turns out FB murdered the announcements for the DNS server 
>>>>>>> prefixes, including the registrar.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://blog.cloudflare.com/october-2021-facebook-outage/?fbclid=IwAR1NiZ1N3M-tYQzvTVum8bV5OGpi8nLZkb7lqANzioJ7lkG6mjsqTHvhHMQ
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> <https://blog.cloudflare.com/october-2021-facebook-outage/?fbclid=IwAR1NiZ1N3M-tYQzvTVum8bV5OGpi8nLZkb7lqANzioJ7lkG6mjsqTHvhHMQ>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This really seems like an elementary design flaw. Even a moron like me 
>>>>>>> knows not to poke the DNS subnets all at once, and we probably get way 
>>>>>>> less than 1k daily lookups across all the domains we host DNS for. Ill 
>>>>>>> bet nobody involved in this makes less than 80k a year. facebook lost 
>>>>>>> 4% stock value today attributed to this on top of the almost percent 
>>>>>>> attributed to the "whistleblower". I get nervous when I lose the 
>>>>>>> company a number 10 wrench.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 4:51 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
>>>>>>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> it is alive here again
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 4:44 PM
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> yup.  resolving here.  but nothing coming up yet.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 4:36 PM
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] facebook outage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> They're back...  ish.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>> <~WRD0002.jpg> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><~WRD0002.jpg>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><~WRD0002.jpg>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><~WRD0002.jpg>
>>>>>>>  <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>>> <~WRD0002.jpg>
>>>>>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><~WRD0002.jpg>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><~WRD0002.jpg>
>>>>>>>  <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>>> <~WRD0002.jpg>
>>>>>>>  <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp><~WRD0002.jpg>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net 
>>>>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 1:13:01 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] facebook outage
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> anyone else feeling alone and isolated without facebook?  I need my 
>>>>>>> safe space (no, not myspace) back.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> babaahahah.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
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