This showed up on my news feed this morning.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/airtag-vs-tile-which-bluetooth-tracker-should-you-choose


On Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 16:00 Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> you have to have the human trafficking pack
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 5:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting.  I never got the history map like this in my tests.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 29, 2021 3:40 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>
>> Lulz
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021, 4:17 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am hoping Paul Dowling will release something that fits my needs.  I
>>> know he is working on it.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 29, 2021 3:08 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>
>>> I would rather pay more upfront and less monthly.  $155.40 yearly plus
>>> $69.96  $225.35 end of first year.
>>> I would like to pay no more than $7.50 per month.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason Wilson
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 29, 2021 2:33 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>
>>> I am using this from Optimus.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/GPS-Tracker-Optimus-Bundle-Magnet/dp/B01KKVKQ66
>>>
>>> Monthly/Yearly plan is a bit much.  I have them on my Gator and my
>>> trailers.  I will be swapping them out for the direct battery connection.
>>>
>>> https://optimustracker.com/products/gb100m-easy-install-directly-on-cars-battery-gps-tracker?pr_prod_strat=copurchase&pr_rec_pid=6626974564434&pr_ref_pid=6626927542354&pr_seq=uniform
>>>
>>> I get a notification when they move.  Battery lasts about 3 months.  You
>>> can set up a GeoFence for each unit, so if you are moving equipment around
>>> the yard you don't get notifications.
>>>
>>> All in all I have been very happy with it.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> Jason Wilson
>>> Remotely Located
>>> Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
>>> 530-651-1736
>>> 530-748-9608 Cell
>>> www.remotelylocated.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 1:04 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Except airtags piggyback on every ios device that hasn't opted out,
>>>> whereas tile is only if you have installed the tile app, so the devices are
>>>> the same, the 'coverage' is vastly different
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 12:58 PM Josh Luthman <
>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tile is just as good as Air Tag.  It's all based on BTLE locatability.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 7:57 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No but reading about it leaves me with little enthusiasm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2021, at 5:22 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Have you tried Tile App?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 3:54 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If something comes up missing, can you get in and poll it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 24, 2021 2:49 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've had mine for a couple of years.  I'm happy.  Keep in mind the
>>>>>>> up front charge covers all the data for the next few years, too.  At 
>>>>>>> $0/mo
>>>>>>> I'm much happier.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The way the units are built I'm not feeling like they were intended
>>>>>>> for a battery replacement but once it's dead there's no reason not to 
>>>>>>> pop
>>>>>>> it open and see what you can do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's reporting once a day and that's what makes the battery last so
>>>>>>> long.  Once you know there's a problem, you can enable constant 
>>>>>>> monitoring
>>>>>>> (which could start anywhere from 1 minute to 24 hours).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF <
>>>>>>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The airtags test was a flop.  I put one on my son’s truck without
>>>>>>>> him knowing.  It would occasionally report a location while on a busy
>>>>>>>> street or highway but most of the time no.  He does not use an iphone 
>>>>>>>> so it
>>>>>>>> was a good test.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The lack of reporting in frequently along with the lack of history
>>>>>>>> of the locations make them unusable for tracking equipment for the 
>>>>>>>> purpose
>>>>>>>> of finding it when it is missing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Interested in the thing Paul Dowling is working on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gpsandfleet.com is pretty spendy.  Can you replace the battery?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:02 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's a guy on YouTube who mailed airtags to n Korea and several
>>>>>>>> other places just to track them for a video, pretty interesting. They 
>>>>>>>> seem
>>>>>>>> to work pretty good, dare I say almost as good as a cellular tracker?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 9:11 AM Josh Luthman <
>>>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For trailers and stuff?  I use gpsandfleet.com - it's a $250 one
>>>>>>>>> time purchase and works until the battery dies.  Do a 1 poll/day 
>>>>>>>>> cycle and
>>>>>>>>> it's 3-5 years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>>>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+%0D%0A++++45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+%0D%0A++++45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+%0D%0A++++45373?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF <
>>>>>>>>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Recurring payment expense is my main concern.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a cellular/GPS asset tracker coming out in a few months.
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck, happy to let you test it out NC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:11 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep ..sneaky and probably illegal
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF <
>>>>>>>>>>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So free forwarding just automagically happens?  They ride some
>>>>>>>>>>>> random persons data plan?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I realize it is such a small amount of data but that is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty sneaky way of getting a free ride.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 11:47 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The phones will pickup the Bluetooth beacon and relay the
>>>>>>>>>>>> phone’s gps to the tracking service.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically a GPS by proxy on behalf of the tracking token.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It relies on random folks wandering by and the Bluetooth token
>>>>>>>>>>>> snagging enough “air time” to report home.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Bouse
>>>>>>>>>>>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>>>>>>>>>>>> 979-999-7000
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>>> McCown via AF
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 12:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Air Tags
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get
>>>>>>>>>>>> connectivity to the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks 
>>>>>>>>>>>> about blue
>>>>>>>>>>>> tooth but that isnt worth anything over distance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of
>>>>>>>>>>>> putting them on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
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