I have never been a Mikrotik fan boy...i remember their techs in Dallas-FW
American Airlines site during a WISP gathering writing code at their
booth.  circa 2004 on layover before a trip out to Bolivia.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 9:01 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:

> I have two issues with MT.  It has a sketchy track record over the years.
> Some models work, others not so well.  There was a period in the early days
> that there were twentyeleven versions of the software and you had to pick
> and choose the version for what you wanted to do.  I know that was almost
> 20 years ago, but I still see squirrely things posted now and then.
>
> I don’t want to do a forklift upgrade in a  year or two.  Just buy
> something now that will take me to 5000 customers and be done with it.
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2022 8:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router
>
> I'd HIGHLY recommend starting with Mikrotik. Go with a CCR2004 or the
> newer CCR2116. We have two locations where
> we upgraded them to V7.1.1 and they are stable even with BGP/OSPF, etc.
> Next best option would be a Mikrotik on an X86
> like Baltic. But at that point, might as well go Juniper.
>
> You can't beat Mikrotik for starting out. It does everything you need and
> the price point can't be beat.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 10:10 AM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm using Mikrotik.  Get a "cheap" 1036 right now.  When you outgrow it,
>> replace it with the bigger CCR (1072 is bigger but you need to avoid NAT
>> and such for crashes at high throughput).  The newer CCR are bigger still
>> and even cheaper, but v7 only and hence are super buggy.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 5:19 PM TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you mean transport, transit is internet access/dia/full routes,
>>> so you have 3 transit providers feeding a switch and transport back to your
>>> hut =) Mikrotik is a decent router but stay away from the 1072, the 1036 is
>>> solid but since it's using CPU instead of asic it cannot withstand many
>>> ddos attacks
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dmmoffett,
>>>>
>>>> All three of my BGP routers are RouterOS.  Two are old x86 from baltic
>>>> with the 4 port 10 gig card. One is a CCR1072.  At peak I'm pushing about
>>>> 12G total across all three.  Really haven't push the CCR to the limits yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>>>
>>>> Myakka Communications
>>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>>
>>>> ------
>>>>
>>>> Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 2:33:02 PM, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ….and I still love Mikrotik’s, but the CCR1072 crash/reboot issue was a
>>>> big turnoff.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:32 PM
>>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router
>>>>
>>>> The only thing I’d be careful of is Juniper changed pricing recently,
>>>> so don’t trust any price you hear that isn’t from 2022.
>>>>
>>>> I’m really loving Arista these days.  An Arista L3 switch would
>>>> probably do everything you’d want.  They do have routers too of course, but
>>>> switches are cheap enough to keep a spare.  Arista’s command syntax is
>>>> identical to Cisco, so there’s that too.
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:27 PM
>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
>>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router
>>>>
>>>> Yeah just get a juniper, even if you go used, i think it's a front
>>>> loaded investment with a great roi in headaches saved
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:25 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We are actually routerless at the moment, buying access from another
>>>> company that has some Cisco big iron there.
>>>> It was a great way to start out from scratch but the economics are such
>>>> that it will pay us to do our own router and own DIA now.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 12:23 PM
>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Dual DIA router
>>>>
>>>> What's your current router? I'm sure it can do many connections using a
>>>> switch and vlans. What is the specs you want and budget? Baltic vengence 3
>>>> is a good option, or mx204 is the best option probably but 25k+
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:13 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To do dual DIA we are going to have to do a new router.  Or used
>>>> router.  Last time down this road we were kicking tires on Juniper.  I
>>>> don’t have a ton of customers on my new system yet but I can foresee 2000
>>>> in the next 2-3 years.
>>>> What would be a good value there?  I really don’t want a $25K router
>>>> right now.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:55 AM
>>>> *To:* TJ Trout
>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing
>>>>
>>>> Not sure I want to have two providers at the moment...  The problem is
>>>> having the two backhaul circuits.  Maybe I could vlan them.
>>>> No harm in quoting HE.  Anyone got a sales contact for me in Utah?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:47 AM
>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing
>>>>
>>>> I think HE will go 700-800 and they will usually match each other
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:35 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> $950 10G flat.  $30 for bgp.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:29 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing
>>>>
>>>> Cogent charges for bgp so ask for that in the quote if you need it.
>>>>
>>>> Hurricane electric is 700-800$ on a 36mo term I believe, some UT
>>>> locations with few customers might be an extra $500.
>>>>
>>>> Telia is a very good option but won't be quite as inexpensive as Cogent
>>>> or HE, but they have really good routes and the full internet.
>>>>
>>>> I can be your advocate on these types of orders, one email and I'll
>>>> aggregate the quotes and send them back to you, carriers pay me 10% or so
>>>> out of their side of the deal, you still pay the same.
>>>>
>>>> TJ
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 9:36 AM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Shopping for DIA again.  Asking Cogent to freshen up a quote.  A couple
>>>> of years ago they quoted a special 10G flat for $1200/month.  Hopefully
>>>> that same or better deal is still available.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have other suggestions?
>>>>
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