An x86-based Mikrotik solution (likely via a CHR VM) would be your best bet.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck McCown via AF" <af@af.afmug.com> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com> Cc: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@go-mtc.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 10:00:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router I have two issues with MT. It has a sketchy track record over the years. Some models work, others not so well. There was a period in the early days that there were twentyeleven versions of the software and you had to pick and choose the version for what you wanted to do. I know that was almost 20 years ago, but I still see squirrely things posted now and then. I don’t want to do a forklift upgrade in a year or two. Just buy something now that will take me to 5000 customers and be done with it. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2022 8:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router I'd HIGHLY recommend starting with Mikrotik. Go with a CCR2004 or the newer CCR2116. We have two locations where we upgraded them to V7.1.1 and they are stable even with BGP/OSPF, etc. Next best option would be a Mikrotik on an X86 like Baltic. But at that point, might as well go Juniper. You can't beat Mikrotik for starting out. It does everything you need and the price point can't be beat. On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 10:10 AM Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: I'm using Mikrotik. Get a "cheap" 1036 right now. When you outgrow it, replace it with the bigger CCR (1072 is bigger but you need to avoid NAT and such for crashes at high throughput). The newer CCR are bigger still and even cheaper, but v7 only and hence are super buggy. On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 5:19 PM TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: <blockquote> I think you mean transport, transit is internet access/dia/full routes, so you have 3 transit providers feeding a switch and transport back to your hut =) Mikrotik is a decent router but stay away from the 1072, the 1036 is solid but since it's using CPU instead of asic it cannot withstand many ddos attacks On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 2:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: <blockquote> Dmmoffett, All three of my BGP routers are RouterOS. Two are old x86 from baltic with the 4 port 10 gig card. One is a CCR1072. At peak I'm pushing about 12G total across all three. Really haven't push the CCR to the limits yet. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com ------ Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 2:33:02 PM, you wrote: ….and I still love Mikrotik’s, but the CCR1072 crash/reboot issue was a big turnoff. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com < dmmoff...@gmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:32 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router The only thing I’d be careful of is Juniper changed pricing recently, so don’t trust any price you hear that isn’t from 2022. I’m really loving Arista these days. An Arista L3 switch would probably do everything you’d want. They do have routers too of course, but switches are cheap enough to keep a spare. Arista’s command syntax is identical to Cisco, so there’s that too. -Adam From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 2:27 PM To: Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dual DIA router Yeah just get a juniper, even if you go used, i think it's a front loaded investment with a great roi in headaches saved On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:25 AM Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote: We are actually routerless at the moment, buying access from another company that has some Cisco big iron there. It was a great way to start out from scratch but the economics are such that it will pay us to do our own router and own DIA now. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 12:23 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: Dual DIA router What's your current router? I'm sure it can do many connections using a switch and vlans. What is the specs you want and budget? Baltic vengence 3 is a good option, or mx204 is the best option probably but 25k+ On Tue, Jan 18, 2022, 11:13 AM Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote: To do dual DIA we are going to have to do a new router. Or used router. Last time down this road we were kicking tires on Juniper. I don’t have a ton of customers on my new system yet but I can foresee 2000 in the next 2-3 years. What would be a good value there? I really don’t want a $25K router right now. From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:55 AM To: TJ Trout Cc: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing Not sure I want to have two providers at the moment... The problem is having the two backhaul circuits. Maybe I could vlan them. No harm in quoting HE. Anyone got a sales contact for me in Utah? From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:47 AM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing I think HE will go 700-800 and they will usually match each other On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 10:35 AM Chuck McCown < ch...@go-mtc.com > wrote: $950 10G flat. $30 for bgp. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2022 11:29 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DIA Pricing Cogent charges for bgp so ask for that in the quote if you need it. Hurricane electric is 700-800$ on a 36mo term I believe, some UT locations with few customers might be an extra $500. Telia is a very good option but won't be quite as inexpensive as Cogent or HE, but they have really good routes and the full internet. I can be your advocate on these types of orders, one email and I'll aggregate the quotes and send them back to you, carriers pay me 10% or so out of their side of the deal, you still pay the same. 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