Tesla was planning for their semi trucks to. Not sure if that remains or not.
It seems like a lot of wasted effort for mainstream cars. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan-GAMs" <j.vank...@grnacres.net> To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 3:28:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers It seems pretty obvious that EVs need a swap-able battery so re-charging can be as quick as a gas fill-up. On 2/14/22 11:46, Robert Andrews wrote: > If you are doing a 300 mile trip, your stop at a supercharger for a > Model Y would be about 10 minutes to add another 150 miles, so that's > not bad when you would be stopping at a gas station for 10 minutes as > well. ( I haven't ever gotten out and put even 10 gallons in in less > that 7 minutes with using the card and all that, you don't do any of > that at a supercharger ) As far as towing is going, I think you will > see more and more of the Electric Airstream campers coming down the > road that have electric assist, to remove the range losses. There > are used EV's on the market and the only reason the prices are high is > because the demand is there, the prices will drop as more used ones > hit the market, but they will come with reduced range, which is a loss > and a gain because the rest of the drivetrain will have a lot more use > than a 60K+ ICE vehicle... So the only takeaway is that it's still a > rapidly evolving market, but the ICE builders already see the writing > on the wall.... New teslas come with integrated battery packs which I > think is going to be a problem in the future, but I am not going to be > the one dealing with that... > > On 2/14/22 11:15, Brian Webster wrote: >> Living in rural America I am not a fan of the range limitations. For >> me it's not uncommon to have to take a trip 60 to 90 miles in one >> direction and then back in the same day. It's also not uncommon to >> want to take a trip and covers 300 or more miles in that day on the >> long trip. I do not want to be limited to 250 miles before I have to >> stop for an extended period to recharge. Personally that is a serious >> limit on my personal freedom of movement. For instance it's not >> uncommon for spring or winter breaks to drive from upstate NY to >> Florida in a single 24 hour period. When you only have a week for >> vacation tag team driving to get there with a carload of people is >> still cheaper than try to fly everyone. Also the restriction of being >> able to haul larger loads similarly are a big limitation. Having a 27 >> foot camper to load the family up and take a vacation is not possible >> with the current availability of EV's out there. >> >> Let's also consider the other elephant in the roof, the actual cost >> of the vehicles. New car prices are outrageous. Personally I like to >> buy used vehicles with higher mileage and typically pay less than 10 >> grand(usually a lot less) and pay cash for them. I haven't had a car >> payment in over 15 years and do not want to be forced in to having to >> do so. With getting closer to retirement age every year, I do not >> want to be forced in to incurring debt. For me the goal is to be debt >> free, not have to fork over 30 grand or more just to be able to >> continue to transport myself around. People making decisions like no >> more gas engines for lawn mowers and such, they tend to live in some >> sort of state of constant debt, if they are in government they have >> no concept of not being in debt. Most will think I am crazy for >> thinking this way because society just wants to accept that debt is a >> necessary way of life. That debt for purchasing and converting to >> EV's and getting away from fossil fuels is in my mind not being >> fairly considered in the process. >> >> Thank you, >> Brian Webster >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews >> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2022 1:49 PM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >> >> There are also a bunch of real life tests published on Youtube. Seems >> like everyone in the cold wanted to either brag or complain... >> >> On 2/14/22 09:56, li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: >>> Since a lot of you guys seem to have first hand experience with the >>> EV’s >>> Ill ask. How do they do on range in cold environments? We have often >>> wondered how they heat the inside of the vehicle in -10F and how it >>> affects the range of the vehicle. Those temps are common for us in >>> January and February. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Brandon >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 11:15 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>> >>> It's not thye electric motors that are at fault. Once the battery tech >>> gets sorted out, there will be no good reason to use dino-fuel. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 2/14/2022 9:11 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>> Sure, but efficiency isn't everything. Fortunately, EVs are also >>> better at torque than diesel and gasoline. >>> >>> Where they don't shine is range when actually working. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 11:06:28 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>> >>> It's approximately 33 KWH of electricity is equivalent to 1 gallon >>> of gasoline (probably less for diesel), so EVs with 60-80 KWH >>> batteries are running a couple hundred miles (or more) on the >>> rough >>> equivalent of < 3 gallons of gas. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 2/14/2022 8:20 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>> >>> The funny thing is that while diesel has superior >>> performance to >>> gasoline in many ways, EVs have superior performance to diesel >>> in many ways. >>> >>> Kinda ironic... >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Monday, February 14, 2022 9:46:36 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Numbers >>> >>> It's called "rolling coal", and it is all the rage for people >>> who think EVs are the devil's spawn. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> On 2/14/2022 6:38 AM, Jan-GAMs wrote: >>> >>> In the past year I've observed that agressive driving >>> seems >>> to be the norm now. More assholes, especially pickups >>> using >>> farm diesel (black-foul-smelling-smoke). I been >>> thinking of >>> investing in a stash of bumper stickers to stick on their >>> trucks that says "shoot me please". >>> >>> On 2/13/22 12:28, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> Its possible that with the lower threshold more folks >>> were able to be arrested before they couldgo fora >>> croaker cruise. >>> >>> Its more probable though that ride sharing grew during >>> that period and the generation of party drinkers >>> used it >>> more as a matter of trend. >>> >>> Drinking establishments being closed or otherwise >>> inaccessible due to the rona too probably playeda huge >>> role, like the seeming disappearance of flu. >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022, 1:33 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: >>> >>> During Covid, in Utah, there have been the highest >>> rate of deaths ever recorded due to car crashes. >>> >>> Meanwhile, at approximately the same time another >>> experiment was running. >>> >>> Late 2018 Utah lowered the blood alcohol level for >>> driving from .08 to .05%. >>> >>> Many, including myself, figured that there >>> would not >>> be a significant difference. >>> >>> But I also commented at the time that this one >>> will >>> be easy to prove or disprove. >>> >>> Deaths and crashes linked to drunken driving >>> dropped >>> by 19.8% since the law took effect. 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