I too know long haired academics in the sciences that lean liberal. All of
academia leans liberal, especially in California (with the exception of BYU,
who is playing Notre Dame today at 5:30 mountain) But I don’t count them as
rank and file democrats. I think they are just broad thinkers and recognize
that we need to take care of the less fortunate.
I argue daily with some local friends that do not believe in man made climate
change or that EVs are viable or that covid was anything other than a hoax.
We have had dozens of EV arguments. No clue why the red hat makes you hate
EVs!!!
I would guess MAGA == ALT Right. But it really is fun to purposely play dumb
and troll liberals. I think Trump actually did do some good things. Wait in
Mexico was a good thing. The border wall was probably a good thing. Warp
Speed Vaccine production was a good thing. Not sure if he originated those
ideas or had advisors and party members propose them. I am daily hating the
chinese steel tariffs...
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 11:36 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
That's a fairly narrow view, and arbitrarily binary.
I know a crap-load of "liberals" (and I don't know their political affiliation)
who are mathematicians, physicists, and engineers of various types. Conversely,
I know a bunch of locals with minimal education who (based on their rhetoric)
are right-wing conservatives and eschew math, science, and such as "elite".
And where do the MAGA crowd fit in this survey? They are sort-of conservative,
but are they actually Republicans? Seems to me they are mostly Just
anti-government.
Further, based on (admittedly dated) statistical information that I've seen,
Republicans and Democrats (not accounting for whether they are left, right, or
center) account for less than 50% of the voting population.
If you want to lump everyone in one of two or three categories, you are
artificially limiting the conversation.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>On 10/7/2022 3:00 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Liberal Democrats are separate from Moderate Democrats. So 100% for each.
Two separate categories of democrats.
To me, assuming this survey was taken from a representative cross section and
is as unbiased as any survey can be, confirms that my gut feelings are about
these issues.
If you go to college, study humanities, liberal arts etc , hug trees and
volunteer for “insert cause” you will probably find yourself on the left side
of this graphic and you may end up hating the folks on the right because they
tend to accumulate wealth and power.
Those folks on the right that frequently are in control of businesses and
paychecks. It is just the human condition.
If you do not value the study of math, science and government I would think
you may find it more difficult to find financial success in your life. You
likely will not be a business owner. And you might end up hating your boss
rather than being the boss.
From: Tim Hardy
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 3:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
So how come there’s 133% democrats in the racial column as an example. On
this question in particular, did they ensure the sample included the same
percentages of minorities in every category? Maybe they explain all this, but I
have better things to do with my time..
On Oct 7, 2022, at 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
I left out an important detail, that graphic was the “too little” response.
Full article can be found in today’s Deseret News.
From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 1:00 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
The question was as follows:
“Do you think schools today spend too much, the right amount or too little
time teaching about the following topics:”
I don’t consider that an ultra inflammatory question.
The source is as follows:
The American Family Survey 2022. It conducted online to a match sample on
gender, race, age and education Aug. 8-15, 2022. The sample size is 3,000 and
the overall margin of error is +- 1.9%.
There is an ultra liberal college up near Olympia Wa. Evergreen State
College. They actually have a faction that teaches that you cannot trust
science because it teaches concepts that are counter to postmodernism. The
extreme left has embraced a fiction that does not stand up to scientific
scrutiny. So the extreme left and the extreme right both don’t trust science,
but for different reasons.
So an ultra liberal might also say, we reject the science of statistics and
samples and surveys because they just make up imaginary numbers... right
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In other words, if you don’t believe the results of a survey (or an
election, which really is also a survey) you just reject it out of hand, don’t
believe it, it is flawed... ???
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 11:57 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT Political
Interesting.
I would think nearly 99% of people would think “Math” and “Science” should
be taught in school, so there must be some kind of relative ranking to come up
with those percentages. I don’t believe for a minute that only a bare majority
of any political party thinks science is important.
I’d also guess there was some colorful to the phrasing of the survey
questions. If they asked “Should students be taught to respect people of all
races” the percentages would be high across the board. You’d have to phrase it
in some inflammatory way to get that spread.
Anyway it’s cute, but I have questions about the methodology used to come
up with those numbers. I wonder if the methodology is “let’s make up an
imaginary number”.
-Adam
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2022 12:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Political
Been too quiet around here. Thought I would try to ignite another
brushfire.
This graphic explains America and what is wrong with it.
Asked of all Americans what is important to be taught at school.
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