I dunno, me-too in hollywierd overwhelmingly cancelled liberals.
I promise, republicans will pivot to whatever position wins the elections.
Back in the day, democrats were the biggest racists. Pendulums swing.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 6:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
Not like Fox hates liberals.
They don't encourage violence and rile people up. Trumpers aren't a protected
class like race, sex, ethnicity, sexual preference. Hating people because of
these factors makes someone a bad person.
Disliking people for supporting an evil man like trump doesn't make someone
hateful. Disliking people for any of the things listed above does make you
hateful.
I don't hate people for supporting trump but I really dislike that they still
approve of the guy. And if you could scan someone's brain to see if they're
racist or homophobic, I guarantee the majority of trump supporters are. There's
a reason why white supremacists and anti-LGBT people love trump, and not anyone
on the left. Republicans in the next 10 years will have a very hard time
winning elections if Gen Z kids decide to vote.
What I've seen from this generation is they won't accept what the right is
doing. Attacking people of color, women, LGBT, etc. This is their final nail
the coffin. The right is taking away freedoms and 80% of sexual scandals in
politics are from the right. They're projecting like crazy. They say the left
are groomers but far more Republicans have sex scandals like grooming kids,
prostitution, paying for abortions, being secretly gay but proclaiming that
gays are bad. Their belief is "rules for thee, not for me"
On Mon, Oct 10, 2022, 4:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
MSNBC really hates trumpophiles...
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 3:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
It's not fair to say ALL cable news channels are uniformly evil. One lies a
lot more than the other ones and that would be FOX. I read/watch FOX, CNN, and
MSNBC periodically to see what is being said and written. If I fact check what
I'm seeing, FOX lies at a much higher rate than the others. And Fox certainly
spews more hate and fear mongering than anyone else out there.
I read news from many sources and Fox is one of those just to see what kind
of crap they're telling people today. It really is meant to scare people into
voting their way. War on Christmas, War on church, War on blah blah blah
Fox is an opinion network, not a news network. They've argued this in court
many times and based on what I read and watch, I can confirm this to be true.
CNN can be biased, but not in a way that attacks people like Fox. Watching CNN
doesn't push people into being racist or homophobic like Fox does. It doesn't
call black people thugs or tell people they all belong in prison. Liberal news
doesn't force religion on everyone whether they believe it or not. There is and
always should be separation of church and state.
Anyone that has watched or read both can confirm that Fox spews hate and
CNN/MSNBC and others are more fact based with some emotion added in but not for
hate towards people.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 2:52 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
I don’t give him a pass, but I recognize he is effective at times in
getting things done I would like to see done.
I like what our governor of Utah said last week, he said Fox, CNN, MSNBC
and other cable news sources are uniformly evil. He doesn’t watch any of them
and is now 9 years sober from cable news. He talked about how they employ
psychologists to modify content to effectively keep viewers addicted.
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 1:09 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
I’ve never understood why so many people acknowledge Trump is a bad person
and then give him a pass anyway. How far does he have to go to become
personally unelectable? Is it actually *good* to have a politician around who
can motivate wingnuts to vote a certain way?
Both major parties do have their share of wingnuts whom they have to cater
to in order to have a majority on anything, but wouldn’t it be nice if the
adults could talk and just tell the idiots in the room to shut up? I’ve been
looking at parliamentary systems in other countries and wondering if we messed
this up early on. Parliamentary countries seem to end up with two or three
mainstream parties with most of the seats and then the various single issue
and/or crazy parties each get their own little slice of the seats. Then they
get to stand in the room and say their piece, but nobody really has to pay them
undue attention.
Maybe more importantly we should put a leash on our cable news channels.
Make them put a flashing disclaimer banner on all the editorial shows saying
“THIS IS OPINION ONLY, NOT FACTUAL REPORTING”.
I have no solutions for fixing internet content. At least none that are
tolerable in a free society. Maybe every high school should include
information literacy as a course. Remind the kids that anyone can post any
kind of nonsense on the internet and it’s safer to assume it’s bullshit unless
they post sources and you can independently verify those sources.
-Adam
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 12:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
Never been able to stand Trump as a human. But he is effective with a
certain segment of the population, so as a tool to get people I support
elected, I suppose he may have some limited use. As much as I dislike Trump, I
dislike Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, the mayor of Chicago etc etc more. Both
parties have tons of wingnuts that get lots of press while hard working more
reasonable lawmakers go unknown to most of us. We really do have a nation that
has two different realities. Urban vs Rural. Two different mentalities. What
works for one will not work for the other and that will never change. Farmboy
vs Cityboy. Each view the other as somewhat stupid I think.
From: Darin Steffl
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2022 10:25 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
The hypocrites on the right LOVE Elon Musk because they think he'll
reinstate Trump if he buys Twitter but they also HATE EV's with a passion.
There's plenty of misinformation out there. I have driven a Tesla as my daily
for 4 years. I had the Model 3 first and now I have the refreshed 2022 Model S
and love both.
If you ever want to laugh and cry at some people that have the lowest IQs
in America and who are attending Trump rallies, search "Jordan Klepper trump"
on youtube and watch some clips here. It's sad to see how "poorly educated"
some are. Anyone still supporting him today is part of the cult. You can be
Republican but not support Trump but anyone else is far gone off the deep end.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 11:07 AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:
My thoughts, and they really are just thoughts on why there is a large
anti-EV contingent on the right:
- A lot of hot button "culture war" issues are really being pushed by
groups with an economic interest in an issue. In this case it is fossil fuel
energy which is a trillion dollar industry. The world is moving towards EVs a
whole lot faster than a lot in the industry expected. It isn't surprising that
wrenches are thrown into the works whenever possible.
- Most current EVs are expensive. Money and liberals are more
concentrated in urban areas. It is easy to believe FUD, funded by above, when
it is targeted at a group that is different form you.
On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 8:32 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well the original description was “what is important to be taught at
school”. In that context, the chart made no sense at all.
If 78% of liberal democrats believe too little time is spent on racial
issues in school then that does make sense.
From: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2022 4:45 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
<af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
I left out an important detail, that graphic was the “too little”
response.
Full article can be found in today’s Deseret News.
From: Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 1:00 PM
To: dmmoff...@gmail.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: Chuck McCown
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Political
The question was as follows:
“Do you think schools today spend too much, the right amount or too
little time teaching about the following topics:”
I don’t consider that an ultra inflammatory question.
The source is as follows:
The American Family Survey 2022. It conducted online to a match sample
on gender, race, age and education Aug. 8-15, 2022. The sample size is 3,000
and the overall margin of error is +- 1.9%.
There is an ultra liberal college up near Olympia Wa. Evergreen State
College. They actually have a faction that teaches that you cannot trust
science because it teaches concepts that are counter to postmodernism. The
extreme left has embraced a fiction that does not stand up to scientific
scrutiny. So the extreme left and the extreme right both don’t trust science,
but for different reasons.
So an ultra liberal might also say, we reject the science of statistics
and samples and surveys because they just make up imaginary numbers... right ‘'
In other words, if you don’t believe the results of a survey (or an
election, which really is also a survey) you just reject it out of hand, don’t
believe it, it is flawed... ???
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 7, 2022 11:57 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Cc: 'Chuck McCown'
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] OT Political
Interesting.
I would think nearly 99% of people would think “Math” and “Science”
should be taught in school, so there must be some kind of relative ranking to
come up with those percentages. I don’t believe for a minute that only a bare
majority of any political party thinks science is important.
I’d also guess there was some colorful to the phrasing of the survey
questions. If they asked “Should students be taught to respect people of all
races” the percentages would be high across the board. You’d have to phrase it
in some inflammatory way to get that spread.
Anyway it’s cute, but I have questions about the methodology used to
come up with those numbers. I wonder if the methodology is “let’s make up an
imaginary number”.
-Adam
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2022 12:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Political
Been too quiet around here. Thought I would try to ignite another
brushfire.
This graphic explains America and what is wrong with it.
Asked of all Americans what is important to be taught at school.
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