IPv6 adoption is accelerating.  All the major content providers and transit 
providers are dual stack.

The weak link seems to be consumer routers.  I had to buy 3 that all said 
“IPv6” on the box to get one that actually did dual stack correctly out of the 
box.  

*       The first one did IPv6 on the WAN interface, but didn’t distribute a V6 
address to the LAN….so what good is that exactly?  No idea.
*       The second one only supported the 6RD “Rapid Deployment” model of IPv6. 
 If you were going to pick just one mode to implement in a router why would you 
pick that one over dual stack?

The third one worked fine.  So 1 for 3.  And I was specifically looking for 
ones that said IPv6 on the package.

 

So many routers come with IPv6 disabled, broken, or only with a weird partial 
implementation.  If the SOHO router vendors get with the program then CGNAT 
will become a secondary function. Until then, yes, keep gloating Sir.

 

 

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 1:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Cc: Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

So nice to have an IP per customer and not have to use NAT...

(gloat)

 

From: Carl Peterson 

Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 11:29 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

We use Juniper for BNG on a MX204 but I'd be interested in the Netelastic route 
if it does IPoE BNG.  

 

On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 12:24 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net 
<mailto:m...@amplex.net> > wrote:

Same.   Way less than Juniper (which we currently use but are migrating off 
of). 

 

Mark

 





On Mar 6, 2023, at 1:09 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

 

We are using NetElastic for CGNAT + BNG, happy so far 

 

 

 

 


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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.com <mailto:sterl...@avative.com> >
Date: Monday, March 6, 2023 at 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I bet you are right.

 

Cisco is probably more expensive than Juniper for CG-NAT would be my guess from 
what I’ve heard around shop.

 

 

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

Sounds like we’re on a similar journey.  

 

Our new owners are a Juniper shop, but the Juniper CG-NAT solution was so 
expensive they went with A10 Networks for that function.  Without licenses (and 
I think a feature card) the Juniper MX would only do 1:1 static NAT. It was 
cheaper to buy an A10 appliance than to get the licenses and such for Juniper 
MX.

I don’t like A10.  They’re weird.  But we set them up once and never touch them 
again.  They’re still not cheap, probably an order of magnitude more than 
Mikrotik, but they’re also an order of magnitude cheaper than implementing 
CG-NAT on the Juniper MX.   I’d imagine Cisco will be in the same ballpark as 
Juniper, but I don’t know.

 

 

 

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2023 10:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

I don’t know that since we don’t use it yet.

I don’t have cost insight into our parent company’s infrastructure unless we 
adopt it.

 

We’ll probably continue to use Mikrotik for CGNAT even with Calix for a few 
years since it works so well and costs so little.

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2023 6:47 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com 
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

How is Cisco for CG-NAT?  

I looked into it for Juniper and if I recall correctly it required licensing 
and a feature card that it made it cost prohibitive.  We went a different 
direction.   Wondering if Cisco’s pricing is reasonable.

 

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 5:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

Hi Gino!

 

I’ll answer you and Carl here, same question.

 

We have funding now from our parent company STRATA Networks, and they use Calix 
by the thousands, so being a Calix shop makes it easy on us in terms of 
everything.

 

There doesn’t seem to be a mid-road XGSPON, maybe UI? I don’t know.

 

TIBIT is like the least expensive but the hardest to get spun up.

We had the resources to figure TIBIT out (eventually) and run with it before we 
finished a deal with the parent company.

 

Calix is just on a whole other level, especially when we buy in to all the cool 
aid they are selling (parent company uses a lot/most of their feature set).

 

So that is our new directive and big push.

 

Along with that incidentally is the push to migrate from TPLink Deco managed 
router platform to Calix (again, the Gigaspire hardware and cool aid platform 
including marketing insights).

 

So we have a short term project to migrate off of all of our TIBIT, mostly 
because it’s not manageable or able to be monitored from external systems.

Calix integrates directly with Sonar v2 which is nice as well.

 

So at some point we’ll have migrated our entire access network and managed 
routers to Calix.

Still running Mikroitk core and edge routers, and customer facing CGNAT until 
we are absolutely so flush with cash that we just purchase the Cisco platform 
to do the central heavy lifting and just transport the whole load of Calix 
based E7 stuff back “home” to Cisco like our parent company does.

 

More than you asked, but we are essentially converting wholesale from an Active 
Ethernet network to XGSPON/Calix and hope to eventually retire most of our 
power hungry switches, and even most of the Mikrotik.

 

Just a part of growing up I guess lol

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 11:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

Sterling, why you are moving away from Tibit? 

 

 

 

 


 
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.com <mailto:sterl...@avative.com> >
Date: Friday, March 3, 2023 at 1:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

We are using TIBIT, but native. Migrating off of them to Calix, so if anyone is 
interested in TIBIT we could give some supplies shortly and even an imaged VM 
controller etc.

 

Carl, we use Mikrotik CRS305 here and there, are you asking about powering a 
TIBIT OLT? Or just a 10G media converter?

 

The 10G media converters work in them, but Mikrotik states that you should 
“skip” every other port with those because they run HOT.

 

Never tried a TIBIT OLT in it, but would probably also work.

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 10:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

Hey Gino,

 

Are you doing this directly through TiBit or through a distributor like Fonex?  
We had an NDA with TiBit from a long time ago but don't with Fonex.  TiBit 
passed us off to Fonex.  Am interested in what other distributors there are and 
what support numbers look like.  

 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 10:09 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com 
<mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com> > wrote:

We are about to do the same (Siklu+Tibit) , maybe a 10GbaseT to SFP+ Media 
Converter will do? 

 

 

 

 


 
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com 
<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >
Date: Friday, March 3, 2023 at 11:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

I'm not doing liquid cooling.  See the pics I posted above.  Just need to 
extend the SFP+ cage out of a Siklu radio.  The alternative is to add another 
little switch but that adds complexity to what is a simple design.  PON hanging 
off a Siklu for a small apartment building.  Only thing active is the Siklu and 
the "SFP".  One cyber power 48V battery backup to power the silku.  If you add 
a switch, how are you powering it, where is it mounted, etc.  

 

On the note of adding a switch.  Has anyone used the CRS305-1G-4S+IN?  Anyone 
have a contact at Mikrotiik who could find out the SFP+ port's power budget?  

 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:32 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I’m curious what Carl Peterson is doing too.  

The description on the linked item says it’s so you can put your electronics 
into immersed liquid cooling without exposing your optics to the liquid.  
Pretty esoteric stuff.

 

Not understanding the use case, but assuming there’s a reason you can’t extend 
the fiber a few feet with a jumper and mating sleeve, then how about use a DAC 
to reach another switch?

 

 

From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Zach Underwood
Sent: Friday, March 03, 2023 9:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ cage extender

 

I am curious what the application is that a longer cable would not address? I 
have never heard of such a device.

 

On Fri, Mar 3, 2023 at 9:56 AM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com 
<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

I have an application where I need to extend a SFP+ cage a foot or two but need 
3.5W peak and 2.7W continuous power.  The existing device supports the power 
but the only SFP+ cage extender I can find is only rated at 2.5W.  Can you 
passively just extend the cage pins or is this something that requires 
electronics?  Anyone know of a higher power SFP extension cable?  

 

https://www.sfpcables.com/sfp-to-sfp-cage-with-3m-flat-cable-in-nylon-jacket-20cm-and-55cm-length-3256-5454
 
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