I like dmarc since you get to dictate the strictness and get reports on your overall deliverability
On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 7:44 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote: > Jan, > > I don't recall any hacks or data breaches to Google at all. I've seen > plenty of other platforms with breaches like t-mobile but Google is pretty > secure. I think you're acting a little paranoid in protecting your phone > number. I can pay some online service and get your home address, phone > numbers, and social security number if I wanted to. This information that > you think is very secure is almost public knowledge for a fee. > > As others have said, DKIM/SPF are industry standards, not Google, and > they're pretty old at this point. DMARC is newer, to me at least, in the > last several years so not every platform gives much weight to this but DKIM > and SPF is a must nowadays for any email provider. > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 4:03 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> DKIM/SPF/DFMARC aren't "made-up standards" from Google. >> >> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 4:31 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote: >> >>> I don't see how you come to the conclusion that my paid for mail service >>> is supposed to have recently imposed made-up standards from google that >>> comply only with google as some sort of long-standing standard. It's a >>> recent standard imposed by google. And I'm never going to willingly give >>> google my phone number so that when they get hacked again the hackers will >>> have my email and my phone number. Why don't I just broadcast on some >>> public website my social security number too? Yeah, tiktok or twitter, >>> give them my phone number, ssi, home address, all my emails along with my >>> real name. Because when you give google your phone number, they now have >>> exactly who you are and access to all your private info. How many times in >>> the last couple years has google been hacked? Constantly! I am not going >>> to freely give this shit to them. >>> >>> Well, I'm wrong, you're right. When I bought the phone, google forced >>> me into an email address as part of using the phone. I never use that >>> email and I refuse to login to anything using that email. Other than that >>> I don't know how to tell them to sit on a sharp stick and twirl. >>> On 3/10/23 12:02, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>> if you had followed your email providers instructions, you wouldnt have >>> created your own problems. >>> >>> spam is floating score based. bulk/public/free/spamhost email providers >>> have high scores to start. proper spf loweres it, lack of dkim raises it, >>> lack of dmarc raises it, content cn raise it, all the IPs in the mail chain >>> can raise it. >>> >>> Thats why youre responsible for doing your part to increase your >>> deliverability. If you were sending a business correspondence you might go >>> as far as sending it certified mail, becaus eyou want deliverability. But >>> if you didnt go that far, you wouldnt put the correspondence in an envelope >>> that looks like dish network advertising because it would be discarded as >>> junk mail, you wouldnt put it an odd shaped envelope that can get stuck in >>> the sorting machines, you wouldnt put phrase like "sperm burglar" on the >>> exterior, youd put it in a business class envelope with windows and clearly >>> visible address marking, a proper return address, etc. >>> >>> Weve been managing deliverability with these types of methods since >>> before emails. and even that changed over time. >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 1:50 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote: >>> >>>> So, since grnacres doesn't have dkim or dmarc records, they should be >>>> getting bounced like the mail.com records too. I don't have any >>>> control over the mail servers. I rent the service "easymail" along with >>>> the domain name from easydns. You know, it sounds to me more like google >>>> is a terrorist organization stamping on the competition just because they >>>> can get away with it. They make shit up, and terrorize those whom they >>>> want to force into compliance with their made-up bullshit. Next they're >>>> going to be asking for money >>>> >>>> Where is the anti-trust people when you need them? >>>> On 3/10/23 10:55, Steve Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> grnacres.net doesnt have dkim nor a dmarc record. Thats bad domain >>>> deliverability practice, nothing to do with the mailhost perse, but if >>>> mail.com doesnt support dkim, its a trash mail host like sherweb. Cant >>>> blame recipient mail servers when the root issue is the sending server isnt >>>> current. Its like getting pissed that somebody doesnt get communications >>>> you sent out by telegraph >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:49 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:b0d9:b0:8af:3519:ea1 with SMTP id >>>>> bk25-20020a170906b0d900b008af35190ea1mr29983208ejb.57.1678462982507; >>>>> Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) >>>>> ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1678462982; cv=none; >>>>> d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; >>>>> >>>>> b=bJKHFyjF+9UzBXciF4y3cYBJwrgmwap9OQ3AsQpf2nOFXGkTbLP4C0qHnlLFHXPcA5 >>>>> >>>>> TAdqmLZYourjPpwIUaAuOjrJO9npBlDZRwv5N/S7xI4iPV2aly79cft4VRXOcfmk7CA0 >>>>> >>>>> n0mVQfby5GZR1DD+W1UzAdSHRUH51Nn/V7ounZGXel07tvWfVO8Oso9xga3lPfnUACNp >>>>> >>>>> TcgZPJSw+qZN7TBryDh9Wu1NFoyTBlKOGbgmQ/kCB0sSolGD+JqNOny+m40Pwdqh40ZD >>>>> >>>>> jfEM9U9v6Wc6ORTM1FaDpf5Lp9kw8+8gZwnpXwXqFX4mb8gxYt+hZCPJm+kDipw/lDr3 >>>>> bhLA== >>>>> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; >>>>> d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; >>>>> h=content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:content-language:to >>>>> :user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id; >>>>> bh=IehNk68dy6Xm43VADrOc3Wts/VQhOY9VIh8QjaijTk8=; >>>>> >>>>> b=NyqdCYZBzsrNlw9g7CPu4CfeQy64PQOMwX8TEIFWlUxO7XScd6qJ5xAmPDrypL8w2e >>>>> >>>>> /h4c7ONmrtQsk65hcKCBSJxq4sztWtnPNbv9HZ2VBdC6R/JGcUovOQ5syUTVRAaGoGyg >>>>> >>>>> 6quG7biEF/Sud2xX/FBh1gMx50IFKJnscAlxCqvWnWzI5C01HgPhIT9hVh3Plz2YjWHQ >>>>> >>>>> hgdmHROdvAdaX6uEl3nz7l4ojOhValcTQDuIakI9ydlRN2QZT12hL1OWX71MpeoGvVMA >>>>> >>>>> jmEKbqXHlTu8rWPYvmL0M3Nx0V+oWCnCINPPYL1Pxu0Ob575PZS4DBo1hQE7tozljWxT >>>>> avNg== >>>>> ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; >>>>> spf=pass (google.com: domain of j.vank...@grnacres.net designates >>>>> 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=j.vank...@grnacres.net >>>>> Return-Path: <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>>>> Received: from mailout.easymail.ca (mailout.easymail.ca. [64.68.200.34]) >>>>> by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id >>>>> p5-20020a1709066a8500b008d490a104b2si49101ejr.523.2023.03.10.07.43.02 >>>>> for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); >>>>> Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) >>>>> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of j.vank...@grnacres.net >>>>> designates 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.68.200.34; >>>>> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; >>>>> spf=pass (google.com: domain of j.vank...@grnacres.net designates >>>>> 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=j.vank...@grnacres.net >>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easymail.ca >>>>> (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738E268D1A for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, >>>>> 10 Mar 2023 15:43:01 +0000 (UTC) >>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at emo09-pco.easydns.vpn >>>>> Received: from mailout.easymail.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost >>>>> (emo09-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP >>>>> id csxoJG_y5IgL for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 >>>>> 15:43:01 +0000 (UTC) >>>>> Received: from [192.168.2.100] (047-224-130-187.res.spectrum.com >>>>> [47.224.130.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 >>>>> (128/128 bits) >>>>> key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest >>>>> SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easymail.ca >>>>> (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03E3A68C4C for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; >>>>> Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:43:00 +0000 (UTC) >>>>> Message-ID: <7b07154d-8e71-69fc-f76a-bcfb5ec52...@grnacres.net> >>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:42:59 -0800 >>>>> MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 >>>>> Thunderbird/102.8.0 >>>>> To: thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >>>>> Content-Language: en-US >>>>> From: Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>>>> Subject: hellody >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:47 PM Steve Jones < >>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> nope, this gmail account is standard free account. >>>>>> Im probably special cause all my communications get routed through >>>>>> the FBI servers for my online antics >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:33 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> it was a test. Only the ones addressed to you went through. The >>>>>>> others tested, bounced. Your address is different somehow. You >>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>> your gmail is a paid-for account, the others that bounced were the >>>>>>> free-gmail type accounts one gets by logging into google. The emails >>>>>>> were >>>>>>> sent from mail.com and from my own business accounts. The business >>>>>>> ones went through and the mail.com ones bounced except for the one >>>>>>> sent to you. I picked 4 gmail addresses and sent them out, all of the >>>>>>> ones sent from the mail.com got bounced except yours. What makes >>>>>>> you so special? >>>>>>> On 3/10/23 09:14, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i got your spam emails this morning >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:04 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All mail.com users cannot send you email. How many other's are >>>>>>>> blocked as well? Oblivion, must be sweet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 3/9/23 20:14, Darin Steffl wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since 2012. >>>>>>>> Virtually no issues at all aside from a handful of short outages over >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> last 11 years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER needed to contact >>>>>>>> them for support. We also use Google drive and their version of office >>>>>>>> apps >>>>>>>> in the cloud. We don't store any files locally at all. All business >>>>>>>> docs >>>>>>>> are at Google and they're safe there and they handle the backups. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't see any advantage to hosting local email on your own >>>>>>>> server. It's not worth your time. My time is worth $550/hr roughly when >>>>>>>> looking at net profit so spending even one hour a year trying to >>>>>>>> manage or >>>>>>>> fix my own email server would cost me more than what I pay Google. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free users for gsuite >>>>>>>> and I pay to upgrade storage to 100gb on 2-3 users so we pay less than >>>>>>>> $60 >>>>>>>> a year to Google for everything. Dirt cheap and great peace mind. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is relating to our internal business use. For customer email, >>>>>>>> we never offered it and never will. Just recommend a free Gmail >>>>>>>> account and >>>>>>>> go live your best life not having to support email. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well, we just >>>>>>>> dealt with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> the Edsel was before my time :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it >>>>>>>> serves for employees and other business email addresses. It is free >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> way and we don’t have to worry about anything else. But for some >>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>> the server hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same time >>>>>>>> each day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things >>>>>>>> so we stopped using them some time ago. For example, our scanner >>>>>>>> stopped >>>>>>>> being able to send emails due to something gmail did. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing >>>>>>>> you this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our >>>>>>>> office >>>>>>>> emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for the >>>>>>>> mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped >>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>> but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to >>>>>>>> cover any >>>>>>>> administrative stuff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I >>>>>>>> look at it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger >>>>>>>> problems than my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with >>>>>>>> email >>>>>>>> servers would have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a battery >>>>>>>> powered inverter just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> work, its not that complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of >>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any >>>>>>>> resources unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF < >>>>>>>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is only for our own company email. No customers on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Tyson Burris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Surgemail is exactly what I used. Seemed to be a good product. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Tyson Burris, President* >>>>>>>> *Internet Communications Inc.* >>>>>>>> *739 Commerce Dr.* >>>>>>>> *Franklin, IN 46131* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Office #* *317-738-0320 * >>>>>>>> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 * >>>>>>>> *Online: www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net>* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: ICI] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *What can ICI do for you?* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP >>>>>>>> Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* >>>>>>>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is* >>>>>>>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* >>>>>>>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* >>>>>>>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* >>>>>>>> *prohibited.* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney >>>>>>>> via AF >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM >>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free >>>>>>>> though. Extremely granular configuration options. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues. At its peak we had >>>>>>>> thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not free. And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost >>>>>>>> effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown via >>>>>>>> AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We are having trouble with mailcow. Anything better out there. 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