Jan, Most of the links you shared aren't of Google being hacked, but people being scammed/phished. Tricking a user into sharing their login info means the user was scammed, not that google was hacked. ONE link you shared says less than 24 gmails in Iran were hacked somehow. None of your links share that google has had a massive data breach at any time. That's not to say it can't/won't happen but there's been no big hacks at Google as far as I can remember.
I stand by my claim that you're being paranoid. I promise you that mail.com or hosting your own email is far less secure and more easily hacked than Google is. Do you have thousands of engineers working to keep your data secure? That answer is NO. I am not delusional enough to think that hosting my own Linux server for email will be more secure than Google. There's no way I can outsmart hackers, keep updated on hourly or daily updates and patches, etc. Nor do I want to do that when I can outsource to a company that does it much better than I do. I don't host a single server for our WISP in 11 years in business and I won't be starting today. The cloud is the future and keeps me hands off on servers and software. If there's a problem, it's someone else's job to fix it and my only job is to report the issue. What if I'm on vacation and I had one or more servers that failed? Now that's my job to fix things while I'm supposed to be off the clock. I don't need that kind of stress in my life so I refuse to host any servers that are mission critical to my business. The only thing resembling a server would be our Preseem appliance but we have backup OSPF routes around it in case that fails. Our billing system is Azotel and they have hosted it in the cloud for us since we started 11 years ago. Total downtime in 11 years is under 1 hour. Not every cloud service is that reliable. They handle the multiple backups and securing of the servers too. Slack, for example, has probably had 12 hours of downtime or subpar performance in the 5 years we've used it but it still was an issue I didn't have to fix myself. On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 2:31 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > I like dmarc since you get to dictate the strictness and get reports on > your overall deliverability > > On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 7:44 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote: > >> Jan, >> >> I don't recall any hacks or data breaches to Google at all. I've seen >> plenty of other platforms with breaches like t-mobile but Google is pretty >> secure. I think you're acting a little paranoid in protecting your phone >> number. I can pay some online service and get your home address, phone >> numbers, and social security number if I wanted to. This information that >> you think is very secure is almost public knowledge for a fee. >> >> As others have said, DKIM/SPF are industry standards, not Google, and >> they're pretty old at this point. DMARC is newer, to me at least, in the >> last several years so not every platform gives much weight to this but DKIM >> and SPF is a must nowadays for any email provider. >> >> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023, 4:03 PM Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> DKIM/SPF/DFMARC aren't "made-up standards" from Google. >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 4:31 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't see how you come to the conclusion that my paid for mail >>>> service is supposed to have recently imposed made-up standards from google >>>> that comply only with google as some sort of long-standing standard. It's >>>> a recent standard imposed by google. And I'm never going to willingly give >>>> google my phone number so that when they get hacked again the hackers will >>>> have my email and my phone number. Why don't I just broadcast on some >>>> public website my social security number too? Yeah, tiktok or twitter, >>>> give them my phone number, ssi, home address, all my emails along with my >>>> real name. Because when you give google your phone number, they now have >>>> exactly who you are and access to all your private info. How many times in >>>> the last couple years has google been hacked? Constantly! I am not going >>>> to freely give this shit to them. >>>> >>>> Well, I'm wrong, you're right. When I bought the phone, google forced >>>> me into an email address as part of using the phone. I never use that >>>> email and I refuse to login to anything using that email. Other than that >>>> I don't know how to tell them to sit on a sharp stick and twirl. >>>> On 3/10/23 12:02, Steve Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> if you had followed your email providers instructions, you wouldnt have >>>> created your own problems. >>>> >>>> spam is floating score based. bulk/public/free/spamhost email providers >>>> have high scores to start. proper spf loweres it, lack of dkim raises it, >>>> lack of dmarc raises it, content cn raise it, all the IPs in the mail chain >>>> can raise it. >>>> >>>> Thats why youre responsible for doing your part to increase your >>>> deliverability. If you were sending a business correspondence you might go >>>> as far as sending it certified mail, becaus eyou want deliverability. But >>>> if you didnt go that far, you wouldnt put the correspondence in an envelope >>>> that looks like dish network advertising because it would be discarded as >>>> junk mail, you wouldnt put it an odd shaped envelope that can get stuck in >>>> the sorting machines, you wouldnt put phrase like "sperm burglar" on the >>>> exterior, youd put it in a business class envelope with windows and clearly >>>> visible address marking, a proper return address, etc. >>>> >>>> Weve been managing deliverability with these types of methods since >>>> before emails. and even that changed over time. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 1:50 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So, since grnacres doesn't have dkim or dmarc records, they should be >>>>> getting bounced like the mail.com records too. I don't have any >>>>> control over the mail servers. I rent the service "easymail" along with >>>>> the domain name from easydns. You know, it sounds to me more like google >>>>> is a terrorist organization stamping on the competition just because they >>>>> can get away with it. They make shit up, and terrorize those whom they >>>>> want to force into compliance with their made-up bullshit. Next they're >>>>> going to be asking for money >>>>> >>>>> Where is the anti-trust people when you need them? >>>>> On 3/10/23 10:55, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>> grnacres.net doesnt have dkim nor a dmarc record. Thats bad domain >>>>> deliverability practice, nothing to do with the mailhost perse, but if >>>>> mail.com doesnt support dkim, its a trash mail host like sherweb. >>>>> Cant blame recipient mail servers when the root issue is the sending >>>>> server >>>>> isnt current. Its like getting pissed that somebody doesnt get >>>>> communications you sent out by telegraph >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:49 PM Steve Jones < >>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:b0d9:b0:8af:3519:ea1 with SMTP id >>>>>> bk25-20020a170906b0d900b008af35190ea1mr29983208ejb.57.1678462982507; >>>>>> Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) >>>>>> ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1678462982; cv=none; >>>>>> d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; >>>>>> >>>>>> b=bJKHFyjF+9UzBXciF4y3cYBJwrgmwap9OQ3AsQpf2nOFXGkTbLP4C0qHnlLFHXPcA5 >>>>>> >>>>>> TAdqmLZYourjPpwIUaAuOjrJO9npBlDZRwv5N/S7xI4iPV2aly79cft4VRXOcfmk7CA0 >>>>>> >>>>>> n0mVQfby5GZR1DD+W1UzAdSHRUH51Nn/V7ounZGXel07tvWfVO8Oso9xga3lPfnUACNp >>>>>> >>>>>> TcgZPJSw+qZN7TBryDh9Wu1NFoyTBlKOGbgmQ/kCB0sSolGD+JqNOny+m40Pwdqh40ZD >>>>>> >>>>>> jfEM9U9v6Wc6ORTM1FaDpf5Lp9kw8+8gZwnpXwXqFX4mb8gxYt+hZCPJm+kDipw/lDr3 >>>>>> bhLA== >>>>>> ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; >>>>>> d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; >>>>>> h=content-transfer-encoding:subject:from:content-language:to >>>>>> :user-agent:mime-version:date:message-id; >>>>>> bh=IehNk68dy6Xm43VADrOc3Wts/VQhOY9VIh8QjaijTk8=; >>>>>> >>>>>> b=NyqdCYZBzsrNlw9g7CPu4CfeQy64PQOMwX8TEIFWlUxO7XScd6qJ5xAmPDrypL8w2e >>>>>> >>>>>> /h4c7ONmrtQsk65hcKCBSJxq4sztWtnPNbv9HZ2VBdC6R/JGcUovOQ5syUTVRAaGoGyg >>>>>> >>>>>> 6quG7biEF/Sud2xX/FBh1gMx50IFKJnscAlxCqvWnWzI5C01HgPhIT9hVh3Plz2YjWHQ >>>>>> >>>>>> hgdmHROdvAdaX6uEl3nz7l4ojOhValcTQDuIakI9ydlRN2QZT12hL1OWX71MpeoGvVMA >>>>>> >>>>>> jmEKbqXHlTu8rWPYvmL0M3Nx0V+oWCnCINPPYL1Pxu0Ob575PZS4DBo1hQE7tozljWxT >>>>>> avNg== >>>>>> ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; >>>>>> spf=pass (google.com: domain of j.vank...@grnacres.net designates >>>>>> 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=j.vank...@grnacres.net >>>>>> Return-Path: <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>>>>> Received: from mailout.easymail.ca (mailout.easymail.ca. [64.68.200.34]) >>>>>> by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id >>>>>> p5-20020a1709066a8500b008d490a104b2si49101ejr.523.2023.03.10.07.43.02 >>>>>> for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); >>>>>> Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:43:02 -0800 (PST) >>>>>> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of j.vank...@grnacres.net >>>>>> designates 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.68.200.34; >>>>>> Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; >>>>>> spf=pass (google.com: domain of j.vank...@grnacres.net designates >>>>>> 64.68.200.34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=j.vank...@grnacres.net >>>>>> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.easymail.ca >>>>>> (Postfix) with ESMTP id 738E268D1A for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, >>>>>> 10 Mar 2023 15:43:01 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at emo09-pco.easydns.vpn >>>>>> Received: from mailout.easymail.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost >>>>>> (emo09-pco.easydns.vpn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP >>>>>> id csxoJG_y5IgL for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 >>>>>> 15:43:01 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>> Received: from [192.168.2.100] (047-224-130-187.res.spectrum.com >>>>>> [47.224.130.187]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 >>>>>> (128/128 bits) >>>>>> key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest >>>>>> SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mailout.easymail.ca >>>>>> (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03E3A68C4C for <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>; >>>>>> Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:43:00 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>> Message-ID: <7b07154d-8e71-69fc-f76a-bcfb5ec52...@grnacres.net> >>>>>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 07:42:59 -0800 >>>>>> MIME-Version: 1.0 >>>>>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 >>>>>> Thunderbird/102.8.0 >>>>>> To: thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >>>>>> Content-Language: en-US >>>>>> From: Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>>>>> Subject: hellody >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >>>>>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:47 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> nope, this gmail account is standard free account. >>>>>>> Im probably special cause all my communications get routed through >>>>>>> the FBI servers for my online antics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 12:33 PM Jan-GAMs <j.vank...@grnacres.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it was a test. Only the ones addressed to you went through. The >>>>>>>> others tested, bounced. Your address is different somehow. You >>>>>>>> mentioned >>>>>>>> your gmail is a paid-for account, the others that bounced were the >>>>>>>> free-gmail type accounts one gets by logging into google. The emails >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> sent from mail.com and from my own business accounts. The >>>>>>>> business ones went through and the mail.com ones bounced except >>>>>>>> for the one sent to you. I picked 4 gmail addresses and sent them out, >>>>>>>> all of the ones sent from the mail.com got bounced except yours. >>>>>>>> What makes you so special? >>>>>>>> On 3/10/23 09:14, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i got your spam emails this morning >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 11:04 AM <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Apparently nobody on gmail has noticed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 10, 2023 10:32 AM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All mail.com users cannot send you email. How many other's are >>>>>>>>> blocked as well? Oblivion, must be sweet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3/9/23 20:14, Darin Steffl wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gmail is the best. Been using them for our business since 2012. >>>>>>>>> Virtually no issues at all aside from a handful of short outages over >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> last 11 years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's hands off, costs very little, and I've NEVER needed to >>>>>>>>> contact them for support. We also use Google drive and their version >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> office apps in the cloud. We don't store any files locally at all. All >>>>>>>>> business docs are at Google and they're safe there and they handle the >>>>>>>>> backups. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't see any advantage to hosting local email on your own >>>>>>>>> server. It's not worth your time. My time is worth $550/hr roughly >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> looking at net profit so spending even one hour a year trying to >>>>>>>>> manage or >>>>>>>>> fix my own email server would cost me more than what I pay Google. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We're grandfathered in and think we get 10 free users for gsuite >>>>>>>>> and I pay to upgrade storage to 100gb on 2-3 users so we pay less >>>>>>>>> than $60 >>>>>>>>> a year to Google for everything. Dirt cheap and great peace mind. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is relating to our internal business use. For customer email, >>>>>>>>> we never offered it and never will. Just recommend a free Gmail >>>>>>>>> account and >>>>>>>>> go live your best life not having to support email. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 8:47 PM Steve Jones < >>>>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> O365 handles SMTP relay for scanners and such really well, we just >>>>>>>>> dealt with it a bunch. authenticated IP. I dont scan to a flatbed >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> the Edsel was before my time :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 1:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF < >>>>>>>>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I prefer to have it in house for the 10-20 email addresses it >>>>>>>>> serves for employees and other business email addresses. It is free >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> way and we don’t have to worry about anything else. But for some >>>>>>>>> reason >>>>>>>>> the server hangs and needs to get rebooted, usually about the same >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> each day. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Google got difficult, especially for email chains and other things >>>>>>>>> so we stopped using them some time ago. For example, our scanner >>>>>>>>> stopped >>>>>>>>> being able to send emails due to something gmail did. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 11:24 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How much is your time worth. The free internal server is costing >>>>>>>>> you this. We are still using rackspace for subscriber mail and our >>>>>>>>> office >>>>>>>>> emails since its same domain and a pita to set up split routing for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> mail. The cost of our mail is covered by the folks who have dropped >>>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>>> but wanted to keep their email, we actually make a tidy profit to >>>>>>>>> cover any >>>>>>>>> administrative stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> for my business I use google. 6 bucks a month per user. The way I >>>>>>>>> look at it is if im not making 6 bucks per guy a month I have bigger >>>>>>>>> problems than my email. Im a nerd, 20 years ago dicking around with >>>>>>>>> email >>>>>>>>> servers would have been a blast. but now its like maintaining a >>>>>>>>> battery >>>>>>>>> powered inverter just so i can still use my corded drill. I can, it >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> work, its not that complicated, but its nonetheless a dumb waste of >>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> dealing with hosting email servers is a total waste of any >>>>>>>>> resources unless your monetizing it. too large an attack vector >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 10:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF < >>>>>>>>> af@af.afmug.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is only for our own company email. No customers on it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Tyson Burris >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 7:37 AM >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Surgemail is exactly what I used. Seemed to be a good product. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Tyson Burris, President* >>>>>>>>> *Internet Communications Inc.* >>>>>>>>> *739 Commerce Dr.* >>>>>>>>> *Franklin, IN 46131* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Office #* *317-738-0320 * >>>>>>>>> *Cell/Direct #* *317-412-1540 * >>>>>>>>> *Online: www.surfici.net <http://www.surfici.net>* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: ICI] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *What can ICI do for you?* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP >>>>>>>>> Cameras - Fiber - Towers - Infrastructure.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* >>>>>>>>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is* >>>>>>>>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* >>>>>>>>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* >>>>>>>>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* >>>>>>>>> *prohibited.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steven Kenney >>>>>>>>> via AF >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 9, 2023 8:37 AM >>>>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Surgemail you could run 1000 customers on a raspberry pi! Not free >>>>>>>>> though. Extremely granular configuration options. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023 at 7:16 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We used Icewarp since 2004 without issues. At its peak we had >>>>>>>>> thousandth of accounts on it, but now just a handful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not free. And they went to per user licensing so it’s not cost >>>>>>>>> effective for hosting anymore, but it’s reasonable for internal email. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>> via AF <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2023 6:05:45 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <af@af.afmug.com> >>>>>>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown <ch...@go-mtc.com> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] mail servers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We are having trouble with mailcow. 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