I have the new 2016 in and programmed up.  But I'm still dealing with more 
immediate issues.
 
We are taking a mix of full or partial routes from our providers.  The issue 
seems to be when one line gets cut, it takes a bit for our old routers to 
recalculate the tables.  
 
Should  I just take default routes?  That way there is a lot less math needed 
when a line goes down.  I'm assuming inbound BGP will still be optimized for 
shorted path.  How will that work for the two IX's we connect to? Are they 
smart enough to calculate best path even if the traffic comes from outside the 
IX. 

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 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Communications
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Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:37:35 AM, you wrote:

> We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar in 
> the OSPF interfaces.
> Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on 
> interfaces and we do not use md5.
>  
> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
>  
> we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to 
> broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6
>  
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies <m...@mailmt.com> 
> wrote:
>> Josh,
>>  
>> I will.  I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just 
>> fine.  Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue.  The big 
>> thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions.
>>  
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>  Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>  
>> Myakka Communications
>> www.Myakka.com
>>  
>> ------
>>  
>> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote:
>>  
>>> Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself.
>>>  
>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
>>> <m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>>> Mike,
>>>>  
>>>> I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units.  Guess it is 
>>>> time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what 
>>>> happens.  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>  Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>>>  
>>>> Myakka Communications
>>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>>  
>>>> ------
>>>>  
>>>> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route 
>>>>> print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for 
>>>>> the traffic to actually change directions.
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>>>>> The Brothers WISP




>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
>>>>> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been 
>>>>> a while.

>>>>> I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 
>>>>> 10-15 though.
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
>>>>> <m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dennis,

>>>>>> Using mikrotik routers.

>>>>>> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9

>>>>>> One CCR1072 v6.47.9

>>>>>> Yes taking full tables.  

>>>>>> Tried BFD  while back.  Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it.  
>>>>>> Never established a session.

>>>>>> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7.  But before 
>>>>>> I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new 
>>>>>> CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7.  


>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>  Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

>>>>>> Myakka Communications
>>>>>> www.Myakka.com

>>>>>> ------

>>>>>> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote:

DB>>>>>>> Really depends on a lot of things.

DB>>>>>>> 1.What router are you using?
DB>>>>>>> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams?
DB>>>>>>> 3. Are you not using BFD ?
DB>>>>>>> 4.  What version of RouterOS are you using?

DB>>>>>>> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is 
kinda long..   


DB>>>>>>> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
DB>>>>>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium 
ePMP Certified 
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DB>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
DB>>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies
DB>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM
DB>>>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
DB>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question

DB>>>>>>> We have two circuits coming into our NOC.  We peer with 3 different 
providers on each circuit.  If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and 
traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit.

DB>>>>>>> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet 
while this is happening.  Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the 
process?  Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes?  Will new 
faster routers help?  Is it a function of timers?  Keep-Alive is 30s and hold 
is at 90s.  Should I investigate BFD?  

DB>>>>>>> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best 
conditions?  

DB>>>>>>> Thanks,
DB>>>>>>>  Mark                          mailto:m...@mailmt.com

DB>>>>>>> Myakka Communications
DB>>>>>>> 
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