Thanks, I’ll have to keep it in mind. That price point and port mix is not that far away from Arista, but no matter how much capital a company has they always want to sharpen the pencil.
With an L3 switch the thing that we always have to keep in mind is which features don’t use the ASIC because that’s what will bite you later. Do you happen to know how that Ufispace S9510 is in that regard? Have you encountered things that hit the CPU? This may be a tangent, but a Juniper MX204 is hard to compare to an L3 switch. I’m sure you’re right that Ufispace switch can hit the throughput, but the routing engine in the MX204 can do 1.2Tbps and supports the full set of features of the platform. If I populate the MX204 with 12x 100Gbps ports then I can expect wire speed to all ports simultaneously no matter what features I use. The MX10003 has I think 2 of those routing engines (So 2.4Tbps). It has 1+1 control plane redundancy. It has 6 power supplies….and with our current configuration I think we need 3 to operate so 3+3 redundancy there. The routing engines are basically 2+0 and we achieve redundancy by using MLAG to our POP ring and splitting our upstream connections between the two routing engines. I believe we paid a quarter mil for the MX10003, but it’s the only router we need for the foreseeable future for a metro area with 250,000 people in it, and it would be hard to have a hardware failure that would actually hurt us. In another market we have the MX10008….same routing engines, but more of them (I want to say 6, but I’m not going to check right now). That said we’re well aware of the savings with L3 switches. And often the answer to redundancy is just have 2 or 3 of them and more or less achieve the same thing as you did with the big fancy chassis. I still like Mikrotik. I miss the simplicity. There’s zero chance we’ll ever use them here though. -Adam From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 4:36 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper Another option. Check out OcNOS from IP Infusion. CLI is almost identical to Cisco and it's a great value. OcNOS runs on white label boxes so you can choose the hardware platform that fits your needs (what I've ordered so far comes with OcNOS pre-installed). Lots of hardware choices from Edgecore and UfiSpace. IP Infusion supports others, too. OcNOS is a full featured carrier-class routing/switching OS and includes full BNG, MPLS, L3/L2VPN suite, etc. A Ufispace S9510-28DC-9N0A with DC power and OcNOS MPLS license is about $8K and is comparable to the Juniper MX204 in terms of features, capacity and port count, including full route tables if used at the border. On the low-end, the Ufispace 9502-16MT with MPLS license and DC power is about $2200 and has all the same capabilities/features as the bigger box, just less capacity and port count. Great platform. I suppose technically the white label boxes are L3 switches in so much as the ASIC that runs it a switch chip at its hard, but all routing, label switching, and L2 switching (data plane) takes place in the ASIC. Control plane is handled by the CPU. Worth a look. We have OcNOS interoperating with Juniper, Mikrotik and NetElastic on OSPF/MPLS/VPLS. On 1/11/24 11:16 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Arista goes both ways. We have a number of Arista L3 switches, and also a big modular chassis thing comparable to a Juniper MX. Full routes just depends on the model. Some of them can’t do it. We started buying Arista a couple of years ago when Juniper changed their pricing model. Good products. CLI almost identical to Cisco, so it’s old hat. I have no complaints with Arista. -Adam From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Daniel Pautz via AF Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 11:00 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> Cc: Daniel Pautz <mailto:d...@webnx.com> <d...@webnx.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper Is it really considered a router or just high end switch? Eg does it take full multi tables, etc? what model? I have always considered playing with some Arista’s. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Zach Underwood Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 8:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used Juniper While not juniper and with no support we have done very well with used Arista. We got 12x 100gb +24 x40gb router that can do bgp for under 10k eaxh. On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 9:54 PM Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote: Is this worth looking at or is it too problematic from a support / update perspective? New Juniper is not in my budget. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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