Yeah it's getting a bit crowded even in markets that you'd think would be pretty open. Not bad yet but getting there. 10 years from now we'll be in rocking chairs remembering the good old days when there were open channel pairs as far as the eye could see.
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: > Assuming channels are available (for either XPIC implementation). ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Daniel White via Af" <af@afmug.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:39:00 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio > currently > > That we have announced, of course. > > Of course we also don't announce radios then don't have inventory for 6 > months either. We don't even talk roadmap under NDA for things that are > less than a realistic 6 months out. > > FYI Integra does support LAG (or PLA as other vendors call it) and I'd > also argue 2+0 at $10k less is a lot more attractive than 1+0 with no > hardware redundancy. And no software keys. And a 5 year warranty. > > Our 11GHz implementation is coming along very well. Trust me, the wait > will be worth it. > > Daniel White – Managing Director > SAF North America LLC > > Cell: (303) 746-3590 > Skype: danieldwhite > daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins via Af > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:33 PM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig licensed radio > currently > > > > Last time I looked at SAF Integra it didn't do 1gig in 11ghz on one > channel with > > XPIC. Also I don't have to combine the data at the bottom of the tower. > Its all > > one radio interface which is much easier for routing. For us those were > huge > > requirements. Exalt has done that for a couple of years. PTP820c looks > better > > since it will have full QoS control and OAM. > > > > Matthew Jenkins > > SmarterBroadband > > m...@sbbinc.net > > 530.272.4000 > > > > On 10/29/2014 10:28 AM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote: > > > matt i'd suggest looking at the SAF integra. You could almost buy 2 > > > links for the prices you quoted from the other brands ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:54 AM, Matt Jenkins via Af <af@afmug.com > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote: > > > > > > All will do 1gbps. I think these are listed in order of price. I > > > am using Exalt now. Looking heavily at the PTP820c for QoS and OAM > > > features. > > > > > > Cambium PTP820c with 80mhz channels, 1024QAM(~$23k) > > > Exalt ExtremeAir with XPIC and 80mhz channel, 256QAM (~$25k) > > > Ceragon IP20c, 60mhz channels, 2048QAM (I think this is about > > > $35k?) > > > > > > Matthew Jenkins > > > SmarterBroadband > > > m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net> > > > 530.272.4000 <tel:530.272.4000> > > > > > > On 10/28/2014 10:41 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: > > > > > > What's the top 3 fastest single radio's available right now? > > > I'm assuming it will be 80mhz and 2048qam+? > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Bill Prince via Af > > > <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> <mailto:af@afmug.com > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > Or thereabouts. Our newest link was engineered for -43. > > > No smoke. > > > > > > bp > > > > > > On 10/28/2014 4:37 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: > > > > > > What do ya engineer it for? Most of the licensed stuff > > > I've dealt > > > with has been engineered to be hotter than -40. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > Mike Hammett > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC > > > > > omputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent > > - > > > computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > *From: *"Eric Kuhnke via Af" <af@afmug.com > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> <mailto:af@afmug.com > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > > > *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> > > > *Sent: *Tuesday, October 28, 2014 5:22:08 PM > > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheapest Full duplex / Full Gig > > > licensed > > > radio currently > > > > > > yeah, 2048QAM, but what is your fade margin from the > > > threshold > > > required to run at 2048QAM vs. when it will step down > > > to 256QAM > > > and no longer be a 1 Gbps radio? > > > > > > If I recall right an IP20C requires an RSSI of > > > something like > > > -57.5 to operate at 2048QAM and will become a 256QAM > > > radio at -63 > > > or thereabouts. Not much fade margin. Not something > > > you can > > > reliably predict as a five nines true 1Gbps link > > > pretending to be > > > a fiber patch cable between two routers. > > > > > > Unless you're running it at sub-4km distances with > > > 60cm size > > > antennas and the normal RSL is -35.0.... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Caleb Knauer via Af > > > <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > We just put up a Ceragon IP20c link last week, 3.5 > > > miles, one > > > 60Mhz > > > frequency pair, 1030Mbps full duplex using > > > 2048QAM, uses two > > > cores > > > (same frequency) in a single FODU chasis and a > > > combiner on the > > > antenna. Looks like any other single FODU > > > install, very > > > clean. Not > > > inexpensive however. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Matt Jenkins via > Af > > > <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > > <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>> wrote: > > > > Cambium PTP820c > > > > Exalt ExtremeAir > > > > > > > > Both will give you 1gig in a single radio. > > > > > > > > Matthew Jenkins > > > > SmarterBroadband > > > > m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net> > > > <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net <mailto:m...@sbbinc.net>> > > > > 530.272.4000 <tel:530.272.4000> > > > <tel:530.272.4000 <tel:530.272.4000>> > > > > > > > > On 10/27/2014 03:25 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Has anyone shopped full Gig licensed links > > > lately, which > > > is the best > > > >> bargain? > > > >> > > > >> *Peter Kranz > > > >> *Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd > > > >> www.UnwiredLtd.com <http://www.UnwiredLtd.com> > > > <http://www.UnwiredLtd.com> > > > <http://www.unwiredltd.com/> > > > >> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 > > > <tel:510-868-1614%20x100> <tel:510-868-1614%20x100> > > > >> Mobile: 510-207-0000 <tel:510-207-0000> > > > <tel:510-207-0000 <tel:510-207-0000>> > > > >> pkr...@unwiredltd.com > > > <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> > > > <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com <mailto: > pkr...@unwiredltd.com>> > > > <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com > > > <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com> > > > <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com > > <mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
