Except that unless your competitors do it or you have the market to yourself, it's not going to happen or you might as well be out of business. The alternative is to manage that bandwidth so it's reasonably used and controlled. I have less of a problem with NetFlix users staying on 24 hours per day than I do with torrent users.
Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Admin via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I don't think this industry will ever get any respect. If most ISP's act like data usage doesn't matter, how do you expect the customer to conclude that it does. Watching TV never had usage based consequences so why would the public expect it would now just because the TV is attached to the internet. My brother in law and his family came over for Thanksgiving He wanted the password for the wifi. It wasn't long before he was streaming from Netflix. His daughter commented when he started the movie "Make sure you pick HD Dad". It wasn't 10 min into the movie before another activity got everyone's attention the TV was let to play as background noise for the family gathering. Look how bandwidth usage has change in the last several years alone. Unless our industry wakes up soon and starts charging for what we are providing it's going to be a rough road. Consequences are the only thing that will regulate the madness. Usage based billing is the ONLY way. Steve B ________________________________ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:05 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. Exactly. From: Ryan Ghering via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. Ohh we see that now as well. Customer with a 6 meg package calls in, "Yea the net is slow I'm not getting my bandwidth" I go look at they have a constant traffic stream of 5.8 meg day in and day out for months. I ask, do you have young kids at home? "yup, but all they are doing is watching netflix cartoons, and my wife just watch's stuff on her ipad shouldn't use that much bandwidth." What will it take to teach customers that its not 6 meg PER DEVICE.. lol On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: I'm not so worried about 4K as I am that this will be the year we get hit with the transition from one Netflix stream to everybody in the house streaming video at the same time and people don't understand why they used to be able to stream video and now they can't. I'm already seeing it. I love the people who swear they don't stream video at all, just Youtube and Facetime and on-demand on the satellite TV and some video on the Xbox and the new smart TV and a couple Rokus and some Facebook videos on the iPad, but no streaming going on here. From: That One Guy via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know. This is going to make for an ugly christmas season. If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue "we dont offer that speed currently" but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind of afraid of the girl. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not appear to be rocket science. From: Jason McKemie via Af <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know. I'd think if someone could figure out a way to get the movies from RAM, they could also figure out a way to capture them from a stream. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:59 PM, Travis Johnson via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: Because then people could "save" the movies in RAM, and someone would figure out a way to be able to download them and put them on the Internet for free. It's a licensing issue... that's why "streaming" is OK. Travis On 12/9/2014 7:00 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote: That 187MB translates to only about 11.25 GB per hour. Why not stick in a 32GB memory and be done? That would be almost 3 hours of buffer. -- bp <part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com> On 12/9/2014 4:50 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote: It's really too bad that the devices that support all these streaming services can't have a larger buffer. I'm sure it's part of their licensing deals, but if they could buffer 60 seconds of stream (at any quality), they would have much fewer support calls for streaming issues, etc. Using Netflix's 25Mbps for 4k, that works out to 187.5MB of storage space. At current RAM prices, you can buy a 256MB module for $15 full retail... so places like Samsung can probably buy them in quantity for less than $2. Seems like it would be worth it to pay an extra $10 for a TV/DVD/PS4/Wii-U device that could handle 60 seconds of video. Travis On 12/9/2014 5:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote: That's pretty cool. You can do 4k direct from Youtube. Several of the ones I've tested are sustained around 20-30Mbps. But on my network it tends to burst to 90Mbps then sit around for a while, then burst back to 90Mbps. I think the 4k will require a lot of optimizations before it works on the built in TV's. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 5:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now. Lovely From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ghering via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 3:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4K now. http://www.cnet.com/news/amazon-starts-4k-uhd-streams/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879
