agreed. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote:
> I guess what I meant is that the odds of success are much greater if the > alignment is done by personnel who are accustomed to aiming $20,000 > Bridgewave, Exalt and similar radios with voltmeters. > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Ben Moore via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: > >> While there is some truth to this, any way you look at it...it is tough >> to align/ensure good performance. From a support perspective it would be >> very tough... >> >> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 10:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af <af@afmug.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I know Ben as an "official" ubnt person is too diplomatic to say this, >>> but the problem with alignment, separation and other site engineering >>> problems is because anyone with a credit card can buy a ubiquiti link... >>> The super user friendly documentation and GUI on the http interface make it >>> easy for people who barely know any networking tech or RF to attempting >>> setting up a PTP link. >>> >>> If you sold a connectorized AF5 and treated it like a part 101 product, >>> for sales only to real companies through a different channel, it would be >>> easier to guarantee success. >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Ben Moore via Af <af@afmug.com> wrote: >>> >>>> We have looked at this, but alignment would be a real issue (and >>>> ensuring proper separation, etc...)...We are still kicking around some >>>> different options. Though we are getting a lot of good feedback already on >>>> long links with AF5. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I would like a pro grade AF5 connectorized, for use with a pair of the >>>>> 3' Jirous high performance antennas. Each link would need 4 dishes but >>>>> you'd be able to go a lot further than the current af5 antenna size. >>>>> On Dec 10, 2014 10:05 PM, "Mathew Howard via Af" <af@afmug.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> PtMP based on the airfiber in 3.65ghz would seem like a good fit, >>>>>> with the new rules that are (hopefully) coming... >>>>>> >>>>>> licensed also seems like an obvious place to go with airfiber. >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Josh Reynolds via Af [ >>>>>> af@afmug.com] >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:42 PM >>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd be incredibly surprised if they didn't do a ptmp. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure a revamped 24GHz is in consideration when there's so many >>>>>> other bands they could release equipment for. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe licensed? Hrmmmm... >>>>>> >>>>>> One can hope, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >>>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/10/2014 08:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the >>>>>> 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit >>>>>> backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products >>>>>>> released in the next 12-18 months. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If not sooner. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now... what would those be? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hrmmmmmmmmm..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >>>>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don’t know what you are talking about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>>>>>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds via Af >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is >>>>>>> silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :P >>>>>>> >>>>>>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the >>>>>>> 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to >>>>>>> provide a better performance within the new environment so there will >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rory >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >>>>>>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt via Af >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM >>>>>>> *To:* Josh Luthman via Af >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. >>>>>>> Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> applications where 450 does not meet the price point. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 >>>>>>> *An:* Josh Luthman via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>> fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company >>>>>>> do when >>>>>>> it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to >>>>>>> outshine >>>>>>> the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - >>>>>>> even .AC >>>>>>> ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af < >>>>>>> af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 >>>>>>> > *An:* Josh Luthman via Af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I hope Cambium is listing on this point. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg >>>>>>> price >>>>>>> > point. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors >>>>>>> too. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Tushar >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af >>>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM >>>>>>> > To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > Yes no maybe. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the >>>>>>> competitive >>>>>>> > fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed >>>>>>> licenses. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
