somebody sees the light at the end of the tunnel :)
gotta luv unsync'd spectrum hog based gear.
Im hitting the deck on that one LOL

On 01/22/2015 08:53 AM, John Woodfield wrote:

But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place...

John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937



-----Original Message-----
From: "Adam Moffett" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP


Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three.

I think that's about the size of it.

    Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules???

    John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell
    (410) 708-1937



    -----Original Message-----
    From: "Ken Hohhof" <[email protected]>
    Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP

    So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are
    already
    a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming
    soon, to be
    followed by end of sale.

    Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to
    pay into USF
    which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a
    below-the-line charge
    on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay
    attention
    to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing
    it as
    well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the
    CAF fund
    and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Rory Conaway
    Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP

    You should change it to, "when required by corrupt, geriatric,
    ignorant, and
    moronic government politicians". There is no question why Obama is
    pushing
    this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or
    economic
    skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the
    country is
    now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is.
    Wheeler is now
    just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying
    to find a
    way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second
    he can
    get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss
    destroy the
    country and his future/former clients any further economically
    than he
    already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now
    that will
    cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.

    All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article.
    Obama
    blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make
    government
    bigger.

    Rory


    -----Original Message-----
    From: Af [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
    Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
    To: [email protected]
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP

    We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it
    would
    include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government.
    Doesn't make
    it taste any better, but it covers the reality.

    bp
    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

    On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
    > On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
    >> I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates
    went up.
    >> There is another election in 2 years.
    >>
    >
    >
    > Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is
    simple:
    > "the total bill is higher because the government added a new
    tax. The
    > pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money
    > off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're
    > unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in
    congress."
    >
    > ~Seth



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