I'll have to try again. Thanks Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 22, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It appears to, yes. If you don't turn on Point-to-point access it appears > limit you to 23db max regardless of antenna size, however. > >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:45 AM, John Woodfield <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz> >> wrote: >> The ePMP does in the US??? >> >> >> >> John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:40pm >> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP >> >> I think they did that to stop you from lying about the antenna size and >> running at illegal power... like people do with ubnt radios. >> >> okay, I was just playing around with it a bit, it does let me set TX all the >> way up to 30db in 5.8ghz if you set it to point-to-point mode. >> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:13 AM, John Woodfield <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz> >>> wrote: >>> No. I had this discussion last night off-list. Let me back up, you can't >>> max it out with low-gain antennas. You can compensate the low TX power with >>> higher gain antennas. Unfortunately they don't account for lower gain >>> antennas or wire loss... >>> >>> >>> >>> John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:06pm >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP >>> >>> Probably not. These are near future rules, not "right now" rules. >>> >>> Can you not max out the legal limits with ePMP? >>> >>> Is this why the power is so limited in the US ePMP gear and not UBNT? >>> >>> >>> >>> John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:23am >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP >>> >>> The new rules don’t prohibit high power operation in 5.8, they limit the >>> out of band emission into 5.4 to such extreme levels that it’s very >>> difficult to get the equipment to pass certification. >>> I wish I could recall exactly what the numbers are but the gist of it was >>> that if you take a currently legal 5.8 radio with a high gain antenna and >>> point it at a TDWR site, the out of band emissions inside the TDWR band can >>> still be high enough to cause an issue. The result being that the FCC >>> imposed much stricter limits on the OOB emissions thus making the equipment >>> either much more expensive or requiring power reductions in the 5730-5850 >>> section of the band. >>> Mark >>> >>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Are you sure about that? I thought they were still operating under the old >>> rules for 5.8ghz... everything in 5150-5250 already has to use the new >>> rules (which MImosa does), but my understanding is that the new rules would >>> basically limit 5.8ghz to what 5.1ghz is doing now, and on a Mimosa B5 >>> (integrated) I can set the Tx power to 17db in 5.8ghz, but only 7db in >>> 5.1ghz. >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC proposed. The >>>> problem is that the rules were like using a hammer to break an egg. >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM >>>> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP >>>> >>>> My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher >>>> prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and >>>> they just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz >>>> band. And decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys >>>> who wanted the rules change. >>>> >>>> The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for >>>> low gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain >>>> antennas, leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or >>>> operating illegally. Kind of a Walter White choice. >>>> >>>> It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will >>>> hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something >>>> they believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP >>>> market. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: John Woodfield >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP >>>> >>>> But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up >>>> UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even >>>> bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting >>>> throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over >>>> the place... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) >>>> 708-1937 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP >>>> >>>> >>>> Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP >>>> instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably >>>> doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big >>>> panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly. The >>>> end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters added >>>> to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna >>>> gain, or a combination of the three. >>>> >>>> I think that's about the size of it. >>>> >>>> Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) >>>> 708-1937 >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP >>>> >>>> So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already >>>> a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be >>>> followed by end of sale. >>>> >>>> Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into >>>> USF >>>> which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line >>>> charge >>>> on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention >>>> to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as >>>> well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund >>>> and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us. >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rory Conaway >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP >>>> >>>> You should change it to, "when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, >>>> and >>>> moronic government politicians". There is no question why Obama is pushing >>>> this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic >>>> skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is >>>> now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now >>>> just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find >>>> a >>>> way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can >>>> get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy >>>> the >>>> country and his future/former clients any further economically than he >>>> already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that >>>> will >>>> cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone. >>>> >>>> All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama >>>> blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government >>>> bigger. >>>> >>>> Rory >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP >>>> >>>> We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would >>>> include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make >>>> it taste any better, but it covers the reality. >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: >>>> > On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote: >>>> >> I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up. >>>> >> There is another election in 2 years. >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple: >>>> > "the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The >>>> > pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money >>>> > off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're >>>> > unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress." >>>> > >>>> > ~Seth > > <ePMP.png>
