ah, you're right... that makes sense - if it was under the old rules, it should be able to go a lot higher in 5.8ghz... it's DFS that's limited to 7db. I should think before I post :P
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > Yes, I’m sure. I’m running 17dBm on 5170. > > > > Rory > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:16 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP > > > > Are you sure about that? I thought they were still operating under the old > rules for 5.8ghz... everything in 5150-5250 already has to use the new > rules (which MImosa does), but my understanding is that the new rules would > basically limit 5.8ghz to what 5.1ghz is doing now, and on a Mimosa B5 > (integrated) I can set the Tx power to 17db in 5.8ghz, but only 7db in > 5.1ghz. > > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> > wrote: > > The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC proposed. The > problem is that the rules were like using a hammer to break an egg. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM > > > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP > > > > My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher > prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they > just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And > decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted > the rules change. > > > > The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for > low gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain > antennas, leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or > operating illegally. Kind of a Walter White choice. > > > > It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will > hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something > they believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP > market. > > > > > > > > *From:* John Woodfield <john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz> > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP > > > > But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up > UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even > bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting > throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over > the place... > > > > > > > > John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) > 708-1937 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP > > > > Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP > instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably > doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big > panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly. The > end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters added to > the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, > or a combination of the three. > > I think that's about the size of it. > > Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules??? > > > > > > > > John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) > 708-1937 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com <af...@kwisp.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP > > So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already > a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be > followed by end of sale. > > Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into > USF > which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line > charge > on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention > to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as > well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund > and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rory Conaway > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP > > You should change it to, "when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, > and > moronic government politicians". There is no question why Obama is pushing > this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic > skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is > now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now > just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find > a > way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can > get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy > the > country and his future/former clients any further economically than he > already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that > will > cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone. > > All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama > blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government > bigger. > > Rory > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf > Of Bill Prince > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP > > We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would > include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make > it taste any better, but it covers the reality. > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote: > >> I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up. > >> There is another election in 2 years. > >> > > > > > > Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple: > > "the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The > > pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money > > off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're > > unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress." > > > > ~Seth > > >
