So you disagree when your own high number of rejections show you should be 
doing it?

The advantage is that it's the customer paying for the height that they need to 
get service, not you (mostly).

-----Original Message-----
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
Sender: "Af" <af-boun...@afmug.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:52:42 
To: <af@afmug.com>
Reply-To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


i disagree.  we're over 600 customers now.  very few have towers.  but we have 
a lot of rejections too due to weak signals.  talk to other wisp companies at 
wispa - the solution is more towers.  well, too many towers and that gets 
expensive...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Colin Stanners 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


  Eh? When you are in a highly-treed area, you need to do towers or be quick to 
send customers to a company that does. There's no other easy way to get NLOS.



  On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:53 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:


    well, we don't do towers by default.  in fact, i think we've had six 
customers or so who ever wanted towers and usually we told them to put their 
own up.  I'm not sure to be honest, probably need to pull some work orders and 
find out why.  I mean, some of those are in very close proximity!


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: cstann...@gmail.com 
      To: af@afmug.com 
      Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:50 PM
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


      That's a quite high percentage of failures. Why? Trees and those 
customers didn't want to pay you to put up a residential tower?

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      From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
      Sender: "Af" <af-boun...@afmug.com> 
      Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:45:56 +0000
      To: <af@afmug.com>
      ReplyTo: af@afmug.com 
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps



      and this is REALLY annoying.   Two water tanks, very close.  i think 3 
miles apart.

      green dots = installation successes
      yellow dots  = FAILURES


        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: cstann...@gmail.com 
        To: af@afmug.com 
        Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:22 PM
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


        You can offer it right now in 2.4, 3.65 or 5.8, the customers just need 
to pay the money for it and to cut trees and/or buy a big tower. A few people 
are, the hard part is finding them...

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        From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> 
        Sender: "Af" <af-boun...@afmug.com> 
        Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:17:46 +0000
        To: <af@afmug.com>
        ReplyTo: af@afmug.com 
        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps



        me thinks if the FCC gave me 100 mhz from, oh, i don't know, 600 to 700 
mhz, i could offer 25/3.  Easily.
        Give me what I want FCC!

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Jeremy 
          To: af@afmug.com 
          Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 9:52 AM
          Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 25Mbps


          How many WISPs out there offer 25x3?  What do you charge for it?  Are 
there bandwidth limits or is it unlimited?  I'm trying to understand how we 
could reliably provide this service without putting 5-10 customers per AP.


          On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

            Minimum definition of "broadband" is now 25Mbps down and 3Mbps up. 
My question is, if you say "up to", does that qualify? ;)

            
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/29/fcc_sextuples_broadband_speed/

            Travis






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